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forEddy 05/05/2010 4:40:00 AM
Eddy,
Thank you for your comment. That's pretty much how I feel.
We need to be accountable, responsible and brave enough to do the right thing.
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J 05/05/2010 4:26:00 AM
Thank you for showing who these people are.
They usually seem so far away, just names in a news article that give me pause.
But this article is different.
Thank you. You were fair and I feel that your words honored the victims without patronizing them.
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Z 05/03/2010 7:54:00 PM
So even though none of you people were there, you're allowed to call the victim stupid, careless, unaware, 'looking for trouble'? how many other people go to these clubs and nothing happens to them? so theyre the ones who are watchful, and always alert? NO its called being lucky, as they were at the wrong place at the wrong time. and BTW no the bouncer did not do that, because there was no bouncer, white room should have been sued for lack of security and safety as this all happened 4 cars away from the door of this p.o.s club. I, understand everyone has their own opinions, but saying things like how stupid the vitcim is does not change THEY were the victim and its thanks to these asshole criminals that things like this happen
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Park West 04/28/2010 9:06:00 AM
White Room is not in Overtown it is in Park West. Just 2 blocks from Club Space. Club Space customer Paula Sladewski was found burned and dead in a dumpster hours after leaving Club Space.
Want to be safe? Avoid the 24 hour clubs in Park West.
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Eddy 04/13/2010 5:38:00 PM
Its sad that this tragedy had to happen to these three young people with promising futures. This type of violence continues only because our communities allow it to happen. In each one of these cases, I guarantee you that someone somewhere knows the perpitrator of each of these cases. As long as people just turn the other cheek and choose not to get involved, these gun trigger happy cowards will continue to commit these senseless acts of violence. WAKE UP MIAMI! No body cares until it happens to them and then they wish that someone would help their family. As citizens of Miami, we need to stick together and let these murderers know that they will not get away with killing people in our great city. My prayers go out to all the victims and their families.
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alexo 04/13/2010 2:15:00 PM
Police in Miami-Dade is the worst police in the whole country, chasing old and inocents people all the time, and trying to stay out of danger zones
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Brenda 04/13/2010 3:31:00 AM
my thoughts and prayers go out to the victims, these people who kill others don't realize the damage they leave behind, for the victims and for their families, look at Toro's grandmother, she has no one to help her with her yard, and let me guess no one down that way won't even volunteer to help, shame. I think you shouldn't put yourself into danger, but they did have the right to go where they wanted. and gun laws are put in to protect the criminals, they are taking my right as a hunter away, along with my family. My children were brought up with guns in our house, they knew how to shoot by the time they were 7, they knew the dangers of guns, because we and the people we hunt with taught them. we also lived on a lake, and they were taught if they wanted to go fishing not to go into the water, they knew if they dis obeyed, that would be the end of the fishing. So no stricter laws are not the answer. Our country has lost hope, and that hope is God, and his son Jesus. We as Christians need to be on our knees praying for our country, for things like this. we need more love, not holding grudges, about something that may or maynot have happened.
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Jose 04/12/2010 10:17:00 PM
Real sad these days you can't go out and enjoy yourself.
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OHGOOOE Marc 04/12/2010 9:55:00 AM
I met one of the victims Toro he sold me a CD at the Flee Market. He seemed like a motivated guy. I listened to his music he seemed like a brave guy. Clubs should be some of the best places people meet and dance and conversate, not places where violence occurs, when violence occurs at a club it is only for the sabotaging of club goers, so that we may lose a good thing. I have a club I am working on that will be the Best Club in the World.
Visit my online club click or copy and paste the link to your url.
http://oumway.com/matrix_of_joy/moregood_recordings/matrix_of_joy_home_page.htm
From: OHGOOOE Marc Gregory Pierre-Louis
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floridagoldengirl 04/11/2010 7:00:00 AM
These girls went to the ''ghetto'' what did they expect ? If these kids had stayed home, they would be alive, got to their church or somebody's house for a party to dance, and stop the stupidity of going out to bars and clubs - the world's countries manage to rear their children without them going out to drink and dance and screw. We are stupid in the u.s.a.
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Choose Life 04/11/2010 5:15:00 AM
Want to die young and broke? Waste your money paying entrance fees going to 24 hour clubs. Visit NE 11th Street at 2:00 am. Risk getting shot. Risk a drug overdose.
Risk getting beat up.
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Rick 04/10/2010 10:59:00 PM
If these mindless fools are so weapon friendly, why don't they join the army? They can go overseas, shoot and kill all they want, and never go to jail! Sounds like a plan to me!
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Avoid NE 11th Street 04/10/2010 6:16:00 AM
Avoid the sleazy 24 hour clubs. The message from the well written article is to stay away from the low life clubs on NE 11th Street. Avoid the clubs that attract drug addicts and criminals. Want to live? Be smart.
12 shootings in 24 months? I bet there are more.
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Boxx 04/10/2010 3:36:00 AM
Though I feel terribly sorry for Darnells Mother for the lost because it hurts to loose anybody. The problem is she is in denial of her son history of violence whether or not the records shows. He was a friendly guy bit to family members and his friends only believe me or just ask around but dont forget to mention his whole name Darnell Parker and you will hear the most frightning stories. He was not a neighborhood protector he was part of a gang that was very protective over turf; just ask around. oh by the way she has always ignored what her son was a bully; yes he was. They need tp tell the true story of this guy and maybe true answers will follow. He was not a good guy by the least.
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Ruben 04/10/2010 3:14:00 AM
12 deaths in two years isnt alot considering millions of people go clubbing down here every year. Its sad to see this type of violence effecting young adults yet what journalism and the media
neglect to confront is how every story has two sides. This is a violent city although for the most part if you get shot chances are you ether did someone wrong or you were mixed into something above your head. People just dont get up and decide to shoot someone outside a club(not rob them or rape them) for no reason what so ever. Clearly there are cases where violence is perpetuated for no apparent reason yet that not the majority.
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MiamiNOLA 04/10/2010 1:51:00 AM
I was born and raised in Miami. Like any other major metropolitan area in this nation, there are affluent section and there are crime-ridden, impoverished sections. It's not a matter of where you go at night, its about the choices that people make in certain situations. If you do NOT draw attention to yourself, hang around the right crowd, make wise decisions when dealing with strangers, MIND YOUR OWN PERSONAL BUSINESS, and use pure "common sense" when you're out, you will ALWAYS be safe before or after a night of partying, EVEN if its in Overtown at 3 AM in the morning. I don't care if you live in LA, NY, Chicago, New Orleans, Houston, Miami, the same rules apply everywhere.
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ej 04/10/2010 12:18:00 AM
i think rick ross killed toro becuz that toro verse was in rick ross hustlin video
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ariyo 04/09/2010 9:58:00 PM
What a shame! So many Police in Miami and they can't even prevent late night shootings around the Downtown area. They aren't protecting and serving anything but their damn wallets!!! :(
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Rayhoo.com 04/09/2010 5:10:00 PM
Too boring
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joe smith 04/09/2010 10:47:00 AM
This is all I got from this article.
Go party at ghetto clubs at 3am and be prepared to feel warm bullets splatter blood on leopard skin seat covers.
I kept reading hoping to find some substance here.. I want my 5 minutes back..lol
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Max 04/09/2010 8:00:00 AM
Thank you Natalie O'Neill for that information, for whatever it had to do with original point made on the original article. I enjoy animal skin motif interior as much as the next person, I'm just stunned that you would confuse it as part of the "details a crime scene". Or do you mean the crime of the shooting of the leopard?
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Natalie O'Neill 04/08/2010 11:31:00 PM
Max Pearl,
Here are links to blogs that report on club district crime, and what’s being done about it. Sorry you didn't like part about the leopard print seat cover. I don't think it’s superficial to mention the details of a crime scene or to recount -- from the victim's perspective – how it feels to nearly die.
http://blogs.miaminewtimes.com/riptide/2010/03/park_west_gets_amped_police_pr.php
http://blogs.miaminewtimes.com/riptide/2010/04/cops_take_on_small-time_crime.php
http://blogs.miaminewtimes.com/riptide/2010/04/cops_report_disturbances_less.php
Thanks,
Natalie O'Neill
Staff Writer
Miami New Times
305-571-7544
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Gone 04/08/2010 11:29:00 PM
Born and raised in Miami and I cannot believe anyone would venture into Overtown at night. Hell, I was assaulted there in the daytime, on my way to work.
Hate blaming the victim, but come on...how fucking stupid.
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Max 04/08/2010 7:41:00 PM
Sorry to burst your bubble, but this is not just happening in the ghetto. New Times did an article not too long ago about what's happening on South Beach (actually it's all over Miami Beach). A close friend of mine's sister was attacked 10 pm on a weeknight on Meridian Avenue on South Beach. They ruptured her spleen and once she was on the ground they kept kicking her in the head and stomach to within inches of her life. I have no idea what the intent was of the reporter of this article. Was it to talk about how the "bullet felt warm as it tore through her shoulder"? Again, I heard not one thing about what is being done to address this problem. And by naively simplifying this into the quaint little solution to "stay out of the ghetto at 3am" only makes the problem worse. Let's hear more about why police aren't doing as much to stop the killings as much as the speeders. Or why the laws don't do enough to deter this from happening. I couldn't care less about how "warm" the bullet felt or what hip style of clothes the victim was wearing or how plush the interior of the car felt.
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jose 04/08/2010 7:08:00 PM
Do not go to those risky places at night,specially overtown and downtown miami, they are building new high buildings in downtown miami, but if they do not cover that area with police security they will never became downtown miami in the expected area they are dreaming. Police: instead of being in hidden places to catch high speed cars with the speeding guns they should be in those hot places to care our people from the criminals
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Karel Reyes 04/08/2010 6:32:00 PM
I was hoping there was a happy ending or that the stories would come together. Anyway thats why you dont go to over town to party, or co co's in opa locka... keep away from effed up hoods and you can avoid these things.
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norman 04/08/2010 6:28:00 PM
totally agreed with robert,in addition bullets should be priced at $100.00 per round then they probably would think about firing so much so quickly.
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curt 04/08/2010 5:30:00 PM
The city is broke and the taxpayers keep paying for all of this crime. The 24 hour hour clubs are costing the city millions of dollars. Taxpayers write your commissioners and let them know that you don't want to to pay for this anymore.
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Rick 04/08/2010 8:20:00 AM
I've lived in Miami for over 11 years. I've NEVER had a problem. I'm not rich, don't live in the 'nicest' part of town either. But what I don't do is..go where the obvious gangs, drugs, shootings and killings happen. Everyone knows where this is and where this isn't. What do ALL these killings have in common? All the victims were either into drugs, around drugs/gangs or in Overton....the worst place in Miami. If you're a young woman hanging out in Overton late at night...alone...you're stupid. Period. You're asking for violence. Just like any other major city. You hang out in crack-ridden areas and clubs and act stupid, you're fair game. I have an idea....STAY OUT OF THE CRACK/GHETTO AREAS LATE AT NIGHT.....??? maybe THAT's a good idea....I wouldn't go to those shitty clubs on Sunday during the day, let alone at night. Those victims didn't care. They knew what they were getting into. No sympathy here.
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Julian 04/08/2010 7:11:00 AM
Excellent article you have written, Natalie. Keep it up!
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Miami Deaths 04/08/2010 6:47:00 AM
Natalie O'Neill deserves praise for this well researched story.
Drugs cause deaths. Alcohol causes deaths. Gangs cause deaths.
Why are clubs allowed to be open so late? Other cities do fine with 1:00 am closing times...
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Thank you for the great articl 04/08/2010 6:32:00 AM
Very well written. I hope Ms O'Neill wins every award available. This well researched article should be read by every elected official who cares about saving lives. Why are clubs allowed to be open so late? 12 deaths in 24 months. That we know of.
Where are the police? Why do they condone afterhours clubs?
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Alain 04/08/2010 6:30:00 AM
Miami should be called Negrami.
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yo mama 04/08/2010 5:11:00 AM
Great story telling, Nats
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Max Pearl 04/08/2010 3:45:00 AM
Was this an attempt to write the Great American Novel or a plea to do something about the out of control crime spree in Miami? "One of the bullets feels warm as it tears diagonally through Charlene's shoulder...A pool of blood spills onto her leopard-print seat cover, and it takes a second to register: Somebody just shot me. I could die right here." How gauche. Only in a shallow plastic place such as Miami do we find newspaper reporters who are just as concerned about the leopard-skin car interior as the human blood splattered all over it. Next time, please spare us the pretentious, artsy display, and try a tone that shows more outrage and concern. What about what's being done by investigators and club owners? We have enough blurry lines between reality and fiction, lets not make it worse by using real tragedies to make a spicy story for entertainment.
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Juan 04/08/2010 3:26:00 AM
son historias que no deberian pasar es mejor evitar el problema ya hay mucha violencia y muchos muertos en el cementerio.
busquen a cristo mejor solo el puede sanar y limpiarte completamente.ensenad a los hijos de pequenos a evitar el mal camino. y ensenarles el camino de Dios
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Bookworm 04/08/2010 1:16:00 AM
You geniuses do realize that the right to bear arms was something that was created back when the country was just beginning and that you HAD to have guns in order to protect yourself. In this day and age, guns are not necessary and honestly do more harm that good. Just because a person owns a gun legally, and might not necessarily walk up to some person and just shoot them (that's not to stay that they wouldn't), doesn't mean that they can't do a lot of damage or kill someone because of stupidity. I don't think you have to prove that you can handle yourself in a crisis or that you AREN'T a moron to get a gun.
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mishki 04/08/2010 1:14:00 AM
I guess police is busy harassing gays. I am done with Miami, I was so roughed up by police last time I was there, i thought i was going to die. They asked me if I was gay and went nuts on me. They set a nice example on how to commit violence down there. Instead of protecting people from violence, they just pick easy targets and show how it's done. With police like that, it will only get worse.
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miamiblonde2 04/08/2010 1:04:00 AM
After reading Jose and Magda's ignorant comments on guns, I could't wait to shed some light and insight on that very hot topic, that will ultimately have an effect on everyone at some point. However, Kelly said it best - great job. It's nice to know someone actually pays attention to current events and is intelligent on American History. I say this will have an effect on everyone sooner or later, because there are so many people that think the same way as Jose and Magda without actually educating themselves on the subject. These people support legislation put in place by anti-gun politicians, which slowly chip away at our Second Amendment Rights under the Constitution. Acts such as the "H.R. 2159", "Pass ID Bill", "H.R. 45" and "Small Arms Treaty" serve to take away the rights of law-abiding citizens. As Kelly mentioned, these are not the same thugs gunning down people aimlessly in the streets. Remember people, if you give up liberty for safety, you will have neither.
Kelly
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Ed 04/07/2010 10:14:00 PM
Hey Magda, last time I checked this was not Cuba or Nicaragua, We as American Citizens, the ones living legally have a right to bear arms, and if you would do your homework and or research you will know that 75% of violent crimes are committed with a stolen gun, do you want to also ban knives, axes, broom sticks, forks, hammers, chisels, etc
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Juan 04/07/2010 9:33:00 PM
Black on white. Black on Hispanic.
God damn. Fucking talk about race already. You naive hipsters go to a black ghetto for a night out. That is fucking insanity. Only with a massive cover up of black crime can otherwise intelligent people behave so stupidly.
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Andy 04/07/2010 9:22:00 PM
An extraordinary piece of writing. The author should not initially be congratulated for that, but, in a more condensed version, this is what journalism used to be. A significant number of facts were gathered for this article, and then it was compellingly written. Today it seems the gathering part of journalism is lost in the rush to advocacy journalism. The human element of the article - though heart-wrenching and tragic - was presented without the platitudinous hyperbole that accompanies some print media. My heart goes out to the survivors, and my appreciation to the author for a balanced reportage.
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Kelly 04/07/2010 8:32:00 PM
Jose and Magda - Do you honestly believe that gun owners who would walk up and kill someone in cold blood are the same law-abiding people who owns guns for self-defense and/or sport?? Do you realize that guns are easily bought and traded on the streets with or without laws? Open your eyes and get your heads out of your rear ends. Stricter laws would do two things: make it slightly more difficult for law abiding citizens to protect themselves by prolonging the application process, AND pump more money into black market gun sales. If you knew jack about this country's history, you would realize what happened to it in the 1920s when the government decided to ban liquor, all due to the perserverence of some old fart do-gooders who thought this country would be a better place with stricter legislation. As a result, criminals became millionaires and many people died - some innocent ones in the crossfire - before the government realized the catastrophe they created and repealed Prohibition. Yeah, great idea. Let's ban guns and everyone can get along. And learn some American history if you're going to live here so you don't end up voting for some fool who condemns us all to repeat negative history.
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jose de lat torre 04/07/2010 3:29:00 PM
You said a magic word in the beginning of your piece, OVERTOWN. Are you kidding me building a nightclub there and not expecting bullets. I live here in Miami and try to avoid driving through there even in daylight. Club Space is located like a a couple of blocks from yes very bad neighborhood. Miami still has bad neighborhoods and sorry I grew up next to Juarez, Mexico yes Cartel country and some areas in Miami you just don't go in, be street smart folks.
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Magda Gonzalez 04/07/2010 2:27:00 PM
Extaordinary article! I agree with Jose 100%. Our elected officials and State government and most especially Florida's attorney general should dedicate more time to controlling gun sales in Florida and to protecting our citizens than going after a piece of legislation that will try to bring health care to all and protect us from abuse by the insurance companies such as pre-existing conditions.
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Jose 04/07/2010 11:08:00 AM
Miami CONTINUES to get ranked worse and worse every few yrs . It used to ranked as 9th worse city now its 6 according to FORBES. What a disgrace.
One of the problems is how EASY it is to get guns here how you can simply go out and buy one or MANY.
With the current state conservative white attorney general who is to busy suing the African American President over health care but doesn't seem to do much else and many of the self serving Miami politicians it will continue to sink.
Oh yes add police corruption/abuse and even many law abiding people see the police as the problem and will no longer assist them .
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Jim 04/07/2010 5:14:00 AM
Thanks for the warning, life's too short for that area and more importantly the element.
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captainmidnight 04/07/2010 4:36:00 AM
Very well written story. My heart goes out to the survivors
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Ryan 04/07/2010 12:59:00 AM
Incredible writing, reading this sent chills down my neck with each sentence. Powerful, powerful stuff. We live in such a simultaneously beautiful and violent city.
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Samantha 04/07/2010 12:50:00 AM
I remember that. I also remember the bouncer at the club telling her to park closer to White Room so no one would mess with her. Either way, these clubs have no business being in the hood anyway. Unfortunately you only here about the violence when it happens to well-off fools.
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Robert 04/06/2010 11:17:00 PM
Bunch of ghetto ass duschbags who dont care about anyone or anything. When you pull that trigger there should be an immediate consequence and not a long drawn out court case just to end in 3 free meals a day! Put the scumbags in a fenced everglades environment where they can live just like they act, ANIMALS!
Bring back the public hangings and mother %^$&ers wont be so quick to pull the trigger. Public guillotines too. Let people see what happens to people who have no regard for human life.
Until there is consequence there will be violence.
May all these victims RIP!