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12/01/2011 12:12:00 AM
The story should the Danager is making all white men out of GOD's weather there Actors, Coachs, Doctors, Presidents, you see you people Idealize your race and glorifly them like Evis who stole all he got rich from off Black entertainers. And when you realize that they were just sick purverted freaks you cant believe it. You think you run this world but your nothing but ponds for it is written that the evil one rules this world. And the question is Who is the evil one?
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11/30/2011 1:46:00 PM
Obviously you didn't read this article in full. Right in the beginning she said she isn't a student.
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11/22/2011 11:50:00 AM
My son is Senior at Penn State. I feel for him he studied hard and carried allot of pride for his school and the diploma he will receive. I admired him for not attending his last home game as the Big Blue. My son applied his principles to his circumstances as Gen. Patton would say. for that he is real leader just subtle action at a moment of inaction from those who could acted accordingly. We are Penn State. now forever fittingly.
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Videofromscratch 11/22/2011 2:20:00 AM
Thanks for your thoughtful comments. I too have been very frustrated by the media storm that turned this into the JoePa story. The part where little boys were victimized is pretty black and white, but the rest of it has a lot more shades of grey. From where I sit (a couple blocks from campus) it seems that important decisions (like firing the coach and the president) were made in a failed attempt to quiet the deafening shouts of "Off with Their Heads", when what we needed most was an honest examination of how such awful things happened and how we can do right by the victims and prevent future occurrences.
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Videofromscratch 11/22/2011 2:09:00 AM
Here's the address of the Grand jury's presentment: http://www.attorneygeneral.gov/uploadedFiles/Press/Sandusky-Grand-Jury-Presentment.pdf
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Guest123 11/19/2011 5:24:00 PM
How does one get to read the official report. I would love to read it.
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11/19/2011 4:21:00 PM
This article is very thoughtful. Many believe that nothing was done by Joe Paterno and law enforcers in PA but this is simply not fact. The media is pronouncing things as truth that they know nothing about. Let me divulge a few facts about what actually happened. Read the official report, people, before you attempt to crucify Paterno and Penn State, people! Because if you do, you will come to find that McQueary told Paterno the morning after he suspected something had happened in the lockerroom, and that Paterno immediately told his superior. Then Paterno immediately went to the police. What happened next was McQueary was interviewed by the same said police officer and McQueary told the officer what he knew of the incident. Paterno then conversed w Second Mile, telling them that there had been an incident in the locker room and it could have been Sandusky. At this point, Sandusky had his keys to the Penn State football locker room taken away, in case he was possibly the one who was in the locker room w the boy. My husband, who lived in State College tells me he remembers Sandusky left Penn State at this time, he was either asked to go or left, John can't remember which. Meanwhile, via law enforcement and investigation, the investigation of what had happened in the locker room continued. There was no reason for Paterno to get further involved at this time. As a matter of fact, if he had, he would've interfered with a police investigation. Obviously, the incident continued to be reported up the chain of command of law enforcement. We know this bc Ray Gricar, the local District Attorney began investigating Sandusky, and attempting to find evidence against him to put together a case. But Ray Gricar could not find enough evidence and was never able to charge Sandusky. But the point is this -- Paterno did not hide the incident, he reported it to his superior and then police, proven by the fact that even Gricar the District Attorney knew about what Sandusky allegedly did and was investigating and attempting to charge Sandusky. So saying Paterno did not report it is a blatant lie. And we do know that there was knowledge of the incident(s) by even Tom Corbet, the PA Attorney General, bc they had been reported by McQueary, Paterno, the police and our local District Attorney General Ray Gricar. Yes, they were known up to the ATTORNEY GENERAL. Please, people, stop acting like there was a cover up here in Happy Valley and Paterno and the rest of us didn't tell anyone. The Grand Jury has repeatedly said that JoePa has done NOTHING illegal. I'm tired of hearing that this great man -- who is kind hearted, philanthropic, someone who has given away more than a million to charity in his community, a man who has built two churches w his wife here in Happy Valley, who loves his players and helps them in practical ways, and is just an all around great and regular guy -- i'm tired of hearing he is a monster, and has not reported child sexual abuse. It's just NOT true. He has NOT been any part of a cover up. Learn the facts or please be quiet. He has reported every step of the way, whatever he knew. Please don't speak up if you don't know the facts. Thank you! Give the man peace, he is 83 years old, he has served us well for decades, and he now has found he has lung cancer, as of a few days ago. Let the man live in peace. He did nothing wrong according to the grand jury.
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Guest123 11/19/2011 3:41:00 PM
Believe me I am no Paterno supporter, but are you sure that he didn't interview Sandusky about it? The only information I have heard about that is from Sandusky's interview with Bob Costas and I am not about to believe anything that he has to say. Either way, whether Joe talked to him or not, Joe still holds just as much blame as everyone else (including police) who knew something and did nothing.
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Guest123 11/19/2011 3:35:00 PM
I didn't mean to like that. He ONLY did what was his LEGAL responsibility. As the person who preached such high ideals, he should have practiced what he preached and DONE MORE. I can relate to how a person might react to something so shocking in the moment and not do what we think should be done as stated in the article. But, the fact remains that YEARS PASSED WITHOUT ANYTHING ELSE BEING DONE!. That disgusting pedophile was accepted into that community as if NOTHING had happened. That is a complete disgrace. We are educated and know that Joe met his legal responsiblity. That's why it is so important for the laws to be changed, because apparently we cannot expect people to do what is morally right unless they are forced to.
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Guest123 11/19/2011 3:13:00 PM
Actually, many media outlets have reported about Ray Gricar. That is all part of the problem. This has become an even bigger tragedy because of the wide-spread missteps. Everyone is culpable in this situation, including Joe Paterno. Did the media go overboard in targeting him? Yes. Is he still a big part of the problem? Yes.
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Guest123 11/19/2011 3:03:00 PM
and neither did Paterno!!!
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Guest123 11/19/2011 3:00:00 PM
There was no "ongoing investigation" in 2002. It was swept under the rug and neither Paterno nor McQueary did anything to make sure that there was an investigation.
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Guest123 11/19/2011 2:57:00 PM
Joe Paterno is on video saying "I wish I had done more"
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Natalie 11/19/2011 2:08:00 PM
He did not and you have your head firmly up your ass, Ms. No Fact All Mouth Miscreant.
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Valerie 11/19/2011 2:06:00 PM
I'm not, I'm defending an innocent man. Hang Sandusky not Paterno - he's no pedophile. And the facts prove the PSU administrators KNEW about Sandusky as he was reported in 1998 yet did nothing.
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Jen 11/19/2011 5:19:00 AM
I understand from the premise that this wasn't intentional, but your article comes across as so passive, I wanted to puke. The media has every reason to condemn an environment that was permissive of sexual abuse.You might gain some more insight from this other Penn State writer. It coincides with many of your points, but also diverges.
http://thoughtcatalog.com/2011/a-penn-state-grads-thoughts-on-recent-penn-state-developments-you-may-have-heard-about/
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Guestseug 11/19/2011 3:52:00 AM
Joe Paterno never actually said "I should have done more." Part of the problem with the coverage of this story is that the press have been irresponsibly sloppy. There have been a few fair pieces, but the majority of "analysts" appear to be trying to out-Nancy-Grace each other with the level of outrage.
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Modanya20 11/19/2011 1:09:00 AM
Your missing the point the author is saying that people didn't talk about who the real criminal was and that people who try to have an open conversation are shut down immediately
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Deeana M 11/19/2011 12:27:00 AM
Joe Paterno was the "sexiest" headline??? Umm, perhaps the author should get out of Happy Valley a little more often....... In writing about a sex-related scandal she chose to use the adjective form of the word "sex" twice within a paragraph to describe the word "headline". Strange.
Apparently the Board of Trustees thought Paterno WAS at least a part of the problem. And the author need not fear, there will be plenty of further investigations.
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Alcmene 11/18/2011 11:02:00 PM
That there might have been a response governed by shock, even disbelief in the first place is no doubt understandable. But Paterno, McQueary, all the people who knew about the allegations, and allegations they still are despite what seems to me pretty convincing evidence--those people kept seeing Sandusky in the company of young boys, not just from 2002 to the present but from 1998, perhaps even earlier. And nothing, but nothing nothing nothing was done. That for me is where the moral culpability lies. And at the same time I cannot understand the passivity, irresponsive response of police authorities, on and off campus, who knew about and in one case actually eavesdropped on a mother confronting Sandusky, and then did nothing nothing nothing.
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Phoebe 11/18/2011 5:47:00 PM
Thank you for this - what an amazing analysis - not only of the situation but also the turmoil of emotions felt by everyone touched by this horrific situation.
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11/18/2011 3:54:00 PM
Your completely brainwashed. Unbelievable. He could be the most upstanding man on this earth BUT HE MADE A GRAVE AND UTTERLY REPREHENSIBLE MISTAKE!! He would not have been interfering with any investigation by reporting that a child was raped. My God?? What does it take for you people to wake up?? He said it himself, "I should have done more." Damn right you should have! Shame on you Joe, shame on you.
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11/18/2011 3:35:00 PM
WE ARE!!!!
I think this is spot on. I hate what the media is doing to Mr. Paterno. I know him personally. If you went to Penn State, you may have see my last name on a building there. The Rackley Building was named after my grandfather. My family stopped in from time to time at the Paternos home to have dinner when I was a child. His wife makes amazing Lasagna by the way... But, I have grown up knowing that Mr. Paterno embodied morality and hard work. He is one of the finest, up standing men I know. He is Penn State. This is a tragedy and I think that Penn State has lost not only an icon, they have lost one of the finest men to walk this earth. Shame on the media and shame on Penn State.
If Mr. Paterno did what a lot of people said for him to do, he would have been interfering with an ongoing investigation. If you are unaware what that means, ask a lawyer or even better ask a police officer. Either way, he could have done something that could compromise the integrity of the investigation. Then where would we be? You do go to the mechanics shop and hold the mechanics hand while he is doing HIS job. You report the issue to the people whos job it is to investigate the allegations and you step out of the way so they can do THEIR jobs.
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Wakupwmn 11/18/2011 12:13:00 PM
Spot on!
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11/18/2011 3:46:00 AM
Way to miss the entire point. Did you even read the article?
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sandy 11/18/2011 2:23:00 AM
Thank you! I agree on all accounts. This is a tragic event for the Penn State family.
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JohnnyB 11/18/2011 12:52:00 AM
If we haven't heard the "true" story, how do you know that Paterno's involvement is minimal? The support of Paterno in these comments is disgusting. Why don't you read the indictment before blaming everyone but the people who covered this up.
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11/18/2011 12:24:00 AM
In most things in life (especially where the media is concerned), the truth lies somewhere in the middle. We have to remind ourselves that we haven't heard the TRUE story. We've only heard bits and pieces of the whole, and many MANY bits of supposition and conjecture. If people are jumping on the bandwagon to lynch Joe Paterno, they're most likely jealous. His involvement was minimal, but the media's scornful eye causes monumental ruin all too frequently, whether it means to or not. Today's journalism is not impartial and doesn't care much about what's truthful and accurate.
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Lexi 11/17/2011 10:40:00 PM
Show me where she defends child rape. Please, show me. I'll be waiting.
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Ajthomas1951 11/17/2011 10:29:00 PM
Sinclair Llewis ( Babbitt, American Tragedy)remarked that we don't know how to talk about, are, in fact, completely frightened by any real disccussion of sex and death. Still true?
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You must be from PA... 11/17/2011 8:47:00 PM
Why are you defending child rape?
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Are you kidding me?! 11/17/2011 8:45:00 PM
Another misleading article from a PSU stakeholder. Defending child rape can never be justified. Only poor, failed leaders would attempt to put a game ahead of human life.
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Madge351 11/17/2011 8:38:00 PM
Wow. If you can't see the difference between what happened at Penn State and Dr. Murray and a teller working at a bank than there is something very seriously wrong with you.
It may come as a shock to you, but God has nothing to do with war or the holocaust or even the scumbag Sandusky. Men and women have choices, meaning free will. God, actually, gave us that choice. He gave us a brain, different from all other living creatures so we can learn and make a decision between good and evil acts. Sandusky certainly made his choice.
Michael Jackson was more than a junkie. He was a pedophile and people made many excuses for his behavior, too. They accepted the fact that he publicly admitted sleeping with boys, much in the same way Sandusky admitted showering with boys. Maybe Sandusky figured that if the public accepted it from their idol, Michael Jackson, they would accept it from him for he and the rest were idols, too. And just look at the way people (you) are defending the cover-up.
At any rate, Paterno and the rest of them are not as guilty, obviously, as the monster Sandusky, but they had it in their power to stop it and more than that, they had a moral if not legal obligation to do so. Had they called the police, had an investigation begun in 2002, many more children would have been spared. That is what sits on the head of Paterno. That was covered up and that is what the school is most likely going to have to pay for (quite literally).
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Guest 11/17/2011 8:12:00 PM
Awesome!!! The absolute BEST take on the situation I've read! My sentiments exactly, but written way better than I ever could! Insightful, thoughtful! Kudos to Denise Grollmus!
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Valerie 11/17/2011 7:43:00 PM
Finally, a real journalist and not a full-of-shit, have-no-facts, keyboard lynch mob keyboard jurist. Thank you for retaining a touch of class, grace, and a cool watchful eye, reserving judgement until AFTER everything is exposed. All of you Paterno haters - you weren't even there, so GFY's.
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11/17/2011 5:34:00 PM
call 800-waaaa
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rose 11/17/2011 5:16:00 PM
He protected a pedophile - thats all to it! He is much to blame as anyone else who knew what that sick bastard was doing. He allowed a football player to go in a game when he even knew that he was being accused of rape! He is in my opinion a dirty ass pervert!
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Dave 11/17/2011 4:02:00 PM
Bullshit. The point is that he had the power to do much more to stop the abuse and he failed miserably. It goes way beyond football or any God like comparisons. It very much is about Joe Paterno and all those who were in positions of power at the time. The fact that he knew and did not put a stop to it is unforgivable.
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11/17/2011 3:14:00 PM
Thank you for a sane, balanced and reasoned article...something we no longer see in a media world where the line between journalists and papparazi has become disturbingly blurred. To feed the 24 hour news beast, media outlets, faced with insufficient FACTS about a case, instead fill their hours with insinuation to keep the story going to, as you say, feed our own addiction. In doing so, they portray a world of heroes and villains...and nothing in between. Human beings, in their frailty and fallibility, are just not that exciting. Instead of basing our opinions on facts, we instead fall back on raw emotion, because when we get people riled up, we know they'll keep watching and buying.
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11/17/2011 2:55:00 PM
The trouble is the systemic failure is about Paterno and the reality of football as god at Penn state. All of them kept quiet doing the bare minimum and therefore allowing a pedophile to continue to rape children. This is just the way it is in all of our society. We value power and money over common decency. We let the powerful and wealthy in our society live by a different set of rules. Madoff was a one-off in a world of Lojans. Bankers defrauded us of trillions of dollars yet it is the bookkeeper at some little company that goes to jail for 20 years for embezzling a few thousand dollars or the lowly trader that hit the buy button foolishly.. If Sandusky were some poor man that raped children and people protected him, we would not be having this conversation. He would be in jail awaiting trial. No bond, no going home to await trial, just jail and isolation. His protectors would be charged with aiding and abetting and child abuse. That is what this is about, the powerful getting another pass, and the victims being made to fight and suffer even more. Penn State is not a person, it is a university. It has no feelings, emotions or desires. It is Penn's supporters that have made this about Paterno. Sandusky must really be excited about his abusive power over so many people. He is a metaphor for our great country, the wealthy and powerful raping the poor and innocent and expecting to get away with it.
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Danielle 11/17/2011 1:47:00 PM
Gricar only let him walk away once because there was never any kind of police report made in 2002. Maybe you should make sure you know all of the facts.
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Andy 11/17/2011 1:30:00 PM
Great article. Hysteria will not solve this issue, only clear thinking that does not stigmatize the players, who had absolutely nothing to do with this. I do wish that Joe had retired after the 1994 undefeated season. Everyone got caught up in his surpassing Bear Bryant, and then Bobby Bowden, for the all-time winningest coach honors. He was 68 then, and Sandusky, so far as we know, had not yet given in to the dark side. I do wish the people who have come out so strongly on this issue had not stayed silent when it was actively happening in the Catholic church. The hypocrisy that has emerged from this horrible event has only made it worse.
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Tom 11/17/2011 11:59:00 AM
It happened under the shield of a God like structure. Systemic failure? No, basic human decency failed. They are all guilty. The writer is ignorant of the tragic lives to follow for these victims. Years of heartache. Very few victims survive intact. Without the football program, and elite position it holds, this would not have happened. The NCAA should step forward and evoke the death penalty, the same as SMU. This is the most egregious offense in college sports, ever. The rest of the world only cares about the victims, not the precious PSU reputation.
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11/17/2011 4:23:00 AM
You need to get this article to ESPN and other Media outlets so they might open their eyes. For years the BOT has tried to get JoePA to step down and through it all he remained and not only remained he was successful at it. No one and I mean not one media outlet is even mentioning the fact that Ray Gricar let this man Sandusky WALK AWAY TWICE, So all these people who are saying it was never reported guess what IT WAS way back in 1998. I say this, before you become Judge and Jury make sure you know ALL THE FACTS. I'm by no means condoning the actions of any of the people involved in all of this, but this is AMERICA and last time I checked no person has ever went to jail or prison when convicted by the court of public opinion.
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11/17/2011 1:01:00 AM
The problem is that one male raped little boys, and other males trivialized what had happened, hid what happened, and protected and consorted with the rapist for years. This required several things to be in place: a bunch of males who, including Paterno, are unworthy of the term "men". The sports involved are ultimately nothing more than entertainment by entertainers. The problem is that the campus culture, the fan culture, and the sports participant culture placed the value of the entertainment above the welfare of children. And I've heard little to suggest that this has changed, as those involved work to ensure that what happened causes as little disruption as possible to the entertainment and entertainers.
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PSU Alum 11/17/2011 12:25:00 AM
These are my thoughts EXACTLY! Thank you!
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alicia 11/16/2011 7:47:00 PM
Nope read every word of it. Please Penn Staters take a second to see it from the outside. Why is there no one without ties to the university or community that is willing to defend or justify Joe Paterno's actions. Because we are not blinded by our fallen idol.
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Alicia 11/16/2011 7:41:00 PM
How does it look at it from the outsiders perspective? It doesn't it...it insults the outsider, and calls unintelligent suggesting we rely on the media to form our opinions. And heartless, suggesting we will forget about it once the next big headline comes along. You want us to forget, so you can go back to worshipping your football program. Sorry, we won't forget, not until the last victim (the real victims, not the students) forgets.
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11/16/2011 4:16:00 PM
Great article, very well written!
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11/16/2011 4:15:00 PM
Great article!
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ivxx 11/16/2011 3:20:00 PM
"Ever wonder why God (the real one upstairs) warns us about idolizing? Because when you idolize, you justify, you cover up, you make excuses just as this writer is doing for Paterno and the school. "
The irony in that statement is how that is exactly what religious people do... how many times have you heard "god works in mysterious ways" or "god has a plan" does god's plan always involve things like war, the holocaust, genocide...
Exactly what problem do you want the writer to admit to, she didn't have any role in this scandal, she didn't put herself in this mess. If you work as a teller in a bank and the bank helps lead the country into a recession, does the teller shoulder the blame simply because he's employed by the bank...?
This is no different than the public lynching suffered by michael jackson's doctor. Was Dr. murray negligent? Absolutely, had it been john smith from arkansas and not MJ, he would've had his license revoked, and paid a large fine. But because the public refuses to believe that their "icon" MJ was a junkie, just like any of the junkies you see on tv with an addiction to drugs, they use the dr. as a scapegoat. God forbid MJ be seen as a human with problems...
The sexier headline always comes first... the truth is in small font on page six...
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bec 11/16/2011 3:24:00 AM
This is not about a football "god" or a football program. It's all much simpler than this article or most of the media is making it. If you were the victim, or the parent, relative, or friend of one of these victims, would any of this matter to you? Can one of these men face these victims' parents and say "I tried to help. I did everything I would have done if he were my own child". I doubt it. These men are cowards, willing and able to turn away and abandon helpless children because it is the simplest solution to a problem. Joe Paterno was the one person who could have made a difference. He had the power to demand that something be done yet he did the bare minimum. Shame on all of them.
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weSTILLare 11/16/2011 12:11:00 AM
Just stop it. When you say "sue the hell out of Penn State", do you realize who you are talking about? Students, faculty, educators. REMEMBER what this is about, children. WE DO care, we ALWAYS have.There is a silver lining to this all, whether you like it or not. Penn State STUDENTS will once again, just like in 1973 (THON, yea our horrible school has raised over $80 million since for children with pediatric cancer. failed to hear about that huh?), to come together and fight for a cause close to our heart, helping child abuse victims. I guess you also failed to see how our STUDENTS were able to raise $98 K in just 27 hours? Our STUDENTS DO CARE. DO NOT PUNISH THE REST OF US FOR THE ACTIONS OF A FEW HORRIBLE MEN!
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Jandj1987 11/15/2011 11:18:00 PM
Awesome article!! Finally, someone who can get everyone to think about the whole picture!! Kuddos to you!!
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Student 11/15/2011 10:12:00 PM
This is the best article about the entire mess that I have read. For a distanced, confused Penn State student (I am studying abroad this semester), this article was all my jumbled thoughts written eloquently and fairly. Well done!
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11/15/2011 9:28:00 PM
Well written! I am so glad that there is a journalist out there that is able to see the full scope, not just the target that has been pinned on the back of one man.
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11/15/2011 8:13:00 PM
Extremely insightful and well-written! Amen!
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Madge351 11/15/2011 7:50:00 PM
“The danger of making Gods out of men” and yet this piece seems to actually justify doing that.
I hope they sue the hell out of Penn State until there’s no football left to kick. There is no morality or ethics left in a school if you can’t even admit where you're wrong. Ever wonder why God (the real one upstairs) warns us about idolizing? Because when you idolize, you justify, you cover up, you make excuses just as this writer is doing for Paterno and the school.
Notice who is to blame here. The Penn State coaches who turned their heads away from abused children? Naw, it’s the media, the press and me and you for our "morbid curiosity". We didn't put you in this mess, dear. The first step in every recovery program is to admit you have a problem.
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PSU student 11/15/2011 6:48:00 PM
amazing article, expresses every sentiment perfectly and looks at things like a real journalist- from both sides of the fence.
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Anonymous 11/15/2011 6:01:00 PM
I am an alumni of Penn State and also a rape victim, which occurred while I was a penn state student far away from Penn State's campus and by someone who had nothing to do with penn state. Nonetheless, Penn State was there for me with extraordinary resources to help me deal with this trauma. Words can't express how grateful I am to Penn State for supporting me and frankly saving me from the effects of being a rape victim. They provided me with virtually unlimited counseling resources at no cost and taught me how to deal with PTSD and how to get on with my life and move past. While this has nothing to do with the Sandusky scandal, I just want to speak out to remind everyone that this is not a reflection of the entire university.
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11/15/2011 4:49:00 PM
Ahh yes, the "riot." The handful of people (about 50 at a maximum) who flipped a media van out of the about 10,000 people that took to the streets that night in show of support. Though thank you for bringing that up as it fits right into the point of the article. So 50 idiots do something stupid and the media latches onto this and calls it a full blown riot.
"I do know what I would have done. And it may have possibly been at gunpoint."
I'll just leave this here. http://www.gtfo.ro/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/Internet-Tough-Guys-550x439.jpg
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11/15/2011 1:40:00 PM
AWESOME AWESOME I wish someone would ask @abcnews @ Gma why they did this to Jo PA
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11/15/2011 12:49:00 PM
Great writer!!!!!
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Manny Yapyap 11/15/2011 8:45:00 AM
Joe Paterno did NOT "as usual" make this about Joe Paterno. That comment is a bit less than objective. Perhaps you should face your issues head on and avoid the trap of transference...just sayin'
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11/15/2011 7:29:00 AM
amazing writing
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11/15/2011 7:29:00 AM
you went in! amazingly stated
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JustSad 11/15/2011 5:03:00 AM
There are 3 MILLION reported cases of child abuse EVERY YEAR, 7.6% of them sexual abuse. More than five children die every DAY as a result of child abuse. Where is the story about them? This "story" isn't about the victims, Paterno, Football or Penn State. It's about one thing - making headlines for CNN, FOX and whoever else can jump on it and everyone bought the hype. Just sad.
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Brandonb1717 11/15/2011 4:56:00 AM
Not quite sure you followed all the events that transpired but the Media as a whole did make it about Joe Paterno. Every news outlet has covered this with Joe Paterno as the Poster Child of the whole scandal. All the while, Sandusky has not been mentioned nearly as much. What she is trying to explain is how realistic our expectations of our heroes should be considering we put them up on such a high pedestal. And when they do fall from grace we mark it as more of a heinous act than that same act from someone with less stature. Psychologically speaking you would never be able to tell how you would act if presented with the same incident. Most people explain how heroic they would be in a time of need for someone else, but when the moment arises they cower in fear. And that is the truth a majority of the time. Also you must take into account that all that we hear in these testimonies is likely to be distorted by human recollection. Over a decade has passed for some of the instances. So please wait until you have all the facts before you point fingers.
F.Y.I. most of this is due, like she stated, to SENSATIONALISM. It's an unfortunate outcome from the inability of us as a society to not be able to separate fact from fiction. Case in point should be the huge emphasis on celebrity fluff news that has flooded newsworthy media outlets lately.
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Tracy J. 11/15/2011 4:22:00 AM
Glad you are no longer a journalist.. you have quickly fallen into the "blame the media game." The media DID NOT make this about Joe Paterno - your fellow students did when they rioted in the streets without regard for the victims. How many of them actually read the indictment before deciding destroying public and private property was a proper response? And Joe Paterno, as usual, has made this about Joe Paterno. He was more concerned about his career and his precious football program. I do know what I would have done. And it may have possibly been at gunpoint.
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11/15/2011 4:14:00 AM
It's as if you didn't even read the article... tsk tsk.
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11/15/2011 4:00:00 AM
After reading many of your posts, I would have to agree. Cry Beloved and Heather, its a relief to know I am not the only one who feels that the treatment of Joe Paterno is wrong. Its even a bigger relief that there is a news paper that does not follow the norm and writes the truth. Penn State and the Board of Trustees could have handled this situation with Joe Paterno in private and allowed this man, who has more work ethics than you or I, to finish his 61 year career in a manner in which he deserved. We have allowed the media to dictate the situation and now its time to let the truth take over. Thank you for this article.
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Victorrfl 11/15/2011 3:55:00 AM
What? Granted it is so horrible that humans recoil from the truth, but there is only one bottom
line that is irrefutable. Weak , selfish, men that chose to protect themselves. Period.
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11/15/2011 3:33:00 AM
Thank you for taking the time to write about the truth. Your article is beautifully written.
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Cry, Beloved Country 11/15/2011 3:20:00 AM
Good article. Thank you.
I wonder if one of the reasons so many people are having such a hard time admitting that what Paterno did--or failed to do--was horrible is because the vast majority of us have done similar things at one time or another. Ever listened to a racially or sexually demeaning joke or remark and said nothing? Ever listened to someone light into the newbie or the outsider and said nothing? I would have expected young Penn State students to identify with the victims, not with the aged Joe Paterno. But his behavior is so much like ours, and ours is so much like his.
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Rsomers 11/15/2011 1:42:00 AM
The BEST article I've read yet. Thank you!
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A father of two sons 11/15/2011 1:20:00 AM
He did report to the authorities. If you know the law in pennsylvania, it is very specific about who an educator must report suspected child abuse to.
Please educate what Joe SHOULD have done, before stating these questions again.
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Nursebarbara1964 11/15/2011 12:56:00 AM
The other thing that no one has addressed is, what if Joe had done something different, and what would have the implication of such action been? Obstruction of justice? Impeding an investigation? He reported the complaint to the proper authorities, and trusted that they would follow through. Reporting something, that he was NOT a witness to, was exactly what he should have done. The GA should have immediately called 911 and protected the child. Excellent article.
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Aliciad 11/15/2011 12:11:00 AM
What kids did Denise show any concern for? Not for the victims, only for the kids that rioted. Her defense of the rioters is disgusting. Any smidgen of it. Whether or not it takes time to come to grips with the reality that your god, your icon, is really just a man or not, is irrelevant. If you need time to mourn him, do it at home. Don't do it on campus, where there are obviously press and media to capture you doing so. Which will then broadcast it for the victims to see. Don't come out and write articles in defense of those people that didn't show the respect that the majority of Penn State students and alum by staying home. Keeping their defense of Joe Paterno to themselves.
And her assertion that the general public will forget about the victims as soon as the next big headline comes along? She talks about how the media and the public have victimized people at Penn State ("verbally victimized" were her words). Get over yourselves, you are not the victims here. You say "The identity of this university has been utterly ruined and for all the wrong reasons." Do you have any idea how insensitive that is to the victims? Whose entire lives have been ruined. I 100% disagree that your university has been ruined. Classes will continue, and as we saw this weekend, football games will be played. Those boys' lives are the only thing that lies in ruin here.
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11/14/2011 11:51:00 PM
For those of you interested in the history of Sandusky's abuse, the MANY people who could have done more, and the current Governor's (former attorney general) involvement/conflict of interest, check out http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/special_report_why_the_jerry_s.html
and
http://articles.courant.com/2011-11-13/news/hc-op-pattis-paterno-railroaded-by-mob-rule-1113-20111113_1_tom-corbett-grand-jury-joe-paterno
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NikiNikol 11/14/2011 11:33:00 PM
great writing - brava!
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11/14/2011 9:30:00 PM
First, I am a huge OSU fan. When I'm not cheering for OSU, I'm cheering for Penn State, because I admire Joe Paterno, and his coaching legend. We lost are beloved Coach Tressel this past year because he failed to report knowledge of a few of the players trading their personal property (gold pants pins) for tattoos. Under the threat of being fired, he resigned. We've put up with the disgrace of a person that was viewed of having such high morals fall from grace, for his awful "cover-up". Now that Paterno has been dismissed for his failure to report, it's hard to garner sympathy. Paterno, I believe, is a man of high moral character, why oh why would he not have reported this incident to the police, even before school officials. If he had only done the right thing back in 96, 98 whenever the grad student came to him, how many little boys would have been spared nightmarish acts that were perpetrated on them. How many little boys don't we even know about that were assaulted. Paterno is not alone in his guilt, there were many. Unfortunately, he is the most well-known, most respected of those who failed these children, so yes, he will be at the center of the firestorm. I don't know what kind of "conversations" you think should be started because of this incident. That maybe there was a right or wrong way to handle this whole mess when it started? I don't think there's anything to discuss. Paterno, and others, had knowledge of a little boy being raped in the Penn State locker rooms, period. And this is the end result. More little boys raped and assaulted, a legend fired, and a fine school's reputation ruined (for now)... Penn State, Paterno, the players and fans will survive and move on ... what about the little boys who are now men ... did they get over it, will they? Only time will tell.
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Chris B 11/14/2011 8:38:00 PM
Thank you for a voice of reason.
My wife and i both graduated from Penn State, and my father taught at Penn State. I have never felt like i did in the last week--in fact, i will tell you it was one of the worst weeks of my life!! Why? Because, i was being attached at work, in the neighborhood--the spin, the generalizations--that Penn Staters were enablers of child pedophila.
The bottom line is that an alleged horriffic crime(s) have taken place--and the true victims seem to have been forgotten in all of this, and how scarred they could possibly be having lived with this over time.
Yet, the press, the media scarred an entire institution. Today, i learned that 4 students were denied their spring internships at a company called General Motors because they go to a school called Penn State!! Shame on you--shame on you!! You are a bunch of cowards.
I am extrodinarily proud of my Penn State degree, and the values taught to me over 30 years ago. I still follow the values of integrity, honesty, leadership, and teamwork in the office place.
Thank you for the article--Thank you from the bottom of the heart. May the healing process begin.
Christopher Binner
PSU Class of 1980
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Guest 11/14/2011 8:23:00 PM
"Now we have some perverse narrative about a fallen God and a university that allowed little boys to be raped because our football team was more important" -- how can you say that this is not precisely what has happened in this case? Your fallen God is PART of the culture that covered these occurrences up. Hell, he IS the culture and as such, its icon. You write that it's not easy to fathom that Joe Paterno has superiors. The "superior" he reported the incident to was his former quarterback, who, along with the rest of State College, PA, worshipped Joe Pa. I won't make any assertions about things that are not known to be facts but I will ask a few questions... Don't you think that if Joe Paterno intended for his "superiors" to report this incident to authorities, it would have been? If Joe Paterno wanted to distance himself and his football program from Jerry Sandusky, couldn't he have made that happen by reporting the incident?? And the most important question: WHY didn't they report the incident to the authorities?
The more important issue in this situation lies with Jerry Sandusky and his victims. BUT Joe Paterno is the end all, be all with Penn State football. With great power comes great responsibility, and there's no way that this would never touch him or his reputation. He might not be the only problem but he IS responsible for what his actions allowed to happen.
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11/14/2011 7:40:00 PM
I thnk that the phrase "JOPA IS THE PROBLEM" appeared here, independant of any newspaper. The item here spoke not of the horrendous child rape but of the atmosphere of immortality held by the football coach and all who had his friendship.
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11/14/2011 7:20:00 PM
Thank you . . . a voice of reason!
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Burtrel 11/14/2011 5:56:00 PM
I am deeply grateful for your article. It put into words my own feelings.
This is from someone who earned a technically difficult post-grad degree from Penn State and is grateful for how well it prepared me for a successful career.
Now my daughter has chosen to go there now as well, bypassing other academic scholarships and opportunities. I hope and pray her future is not tainted by this overall stench. She shows strong moral leadership and there are many more like her there at PSU.
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Gwendym62 11/14/2011 5:52:00 PM
I totally agree... this was sooo focused on Paterno that everything else got lost. My heart broke for he and his family. It is not fair that he is being blamed for this whole tragedy... he's being attacked because he's the most visible person and it sells. The victims lives will never be the same... that "alleged" animal that changed their lives and the people that witnessed it and then did nothing should know how that feels.
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Laura garlitos 11/14/2011 5:27:00 PM
I've been so disgusted by the mainstream medias handling of this case. They gleefully turned their sights on Joe Paterno and away from the real villain in this case. Denise to accurately describes what Joe has meant to Penn State fans and State College residents. Although I have lived in California now for more years than I lived in State College, I know what it means to be a Penn State fan. As the author says, Joe is only human. He is not our football "god". He is a man, who with his dignity and honesty has created in us a pride that can never be taken away. We believe he deserves the benefit of the doubt until he is able to defend himself. He has earned the right to a fair investigation. And the media did not give him that. Thank you Denise for finally giving us an honest and thoughtful analysis.
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Mark Shapiro 11/14/2011 4:44:00 PM
Let's get real here! The only ones showing "concern for the kids" are the parents and professionals working with them. Everything else is commenting from the sidelines.
Or, worse, *posturing* from the sidelines.
As for your comment that "Denise wrote probably the first piece of media that shows some investigating and concern for the kids." ... That simply isn't true. ... Also, her column is not investigative journalism, it's an opinion piece, which is fine -- but that's all it is.
You also wrote: "She didn't attack the football program, those students and players did nothing to these children ..." However, "the football program" does not consist of just students and players, far from it, it consists of the people who administered and oversaw the football program -- and first and foremost among those administrators was the demigod Joe Paterno. He is the Richard Nixon in this scandal. He is the man who is ultimately responsible.
No one with a modicum of common sense who writes or comments about this scandal is ignoring "the children." You're concerned about the children, are you? Great!
Now volunteer to work for child-related social agencies.
Or else make a donation.
Or else write to your elected representatives and demand that they stop killing innocent children in the Middle East (collateral damage, you know). ... Demand that they stop spending $14 billion per month on that death and destruction (see www.costofwar.com).
Otherwise, I wish people, in particular those in the media, would stop talking about "our kids" (as if they were Jerry Lewis).
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11/14/2011 4:14:00 PM
http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/penn_state_board_of_trustees_g.html
That is the lawyer who is representing some of the victims.
JoePa's lawyer is J. Sedgwick Sollers.
And whether or not you believe JoePa should or should not be charged, he so far, has been said to have followed the law and as of now is not under investigation. More of the story needs to come out before you rush to judgement. Is is possible that JoePa had been told by his superiors, Curley and Shultz, that they would investigate the matter and if they had further questions they would contact him? Is is possible that JoePa attempted to follow up on the matter but Curley and Shultz told him that it was confidential? There are way too many scenarios that could have happened that could have happened. Hopefully as the investigation continues we will learn more of what happened behind the scenes and only then can we make an informed judgement.
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Hank Aquirre 11/14/2011 4:11:00 PM
We know mainstream media have as their highest priority MONEY -- selling newspapers, getting higher ratings. As such, HOW they covered this story is not at all surprising. What's relevant are the facts, and one of the facts is that Joe Paterno, among many others, *is* to blame.
Who came up with the title of this article: "JOE PATERNO IS NOT THE PROBLEM"? The person who wrote it? The columnist's editor? The purpose of the title is typical of maninstream media -- it seeks to "attract attention" -- but not in a constructive way. Look at how many people are saying: NO, JOE PATERNO **IS** THE PROBLEM! And none of them are in the business of selling newspapers or seeking higher ratings.
If this was a case of child abuse and it didn't involve a celebrity, how much media attention would it get? Would it occur to the author of this article to write about a case involving a non-celebrity? And if she did write about a case involving a non-celebrity, how many people would pay attention to it?
As for not paying enough attention to Sandusky, the rapist ... we know he's evil, his crime is as clearcut as it is horrible. But what about those -- Paterno foremost among them -- who used their power to cover up the crime rather than stop it? That's not a problem? That most powerful of individuals, Joe Paterno, is not a problem?
Of course he is.
The author points out that Paterno is not *the* problem. But isn't that a rather obvious, pedantic point to be making at this stage of the story? The headline "JOE PATERNO IS NOT THE PROBLEM" is obviously going to attract readers to this columnist and to the periodical she writes for -- whether it sheds light onto the issue of child abuse is questionable.
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11/14/2011 4:01:00 PM
More of what happened between Curley, Shultz, JoePa, and McQueary needs to come out before people rush to judgement and blindly support everything the media is reporting. Is it possible that JoePa was told by Curley and Shultz that they were investigating and if they had any more questions they would contact him? Is it possible that JoePa did follow up and ask what was going on, but Curley and Shultz said that's confidential information? Is it possible that JoePa is guilty of trusting his superiors to know how to respond and act in this situation? These are all possibilities and until the public really knows what happened it is unfair to judge. Now it even may come out that JoePa really didn't attempt to do anything besides report it to Curley and Shultz, and didn't follow up and wasn't told that an investigation was happening...but we still don't know all the facts. But again by focusing on JoePa and what terrible the students, faculty, and employees of PSU are, the public isn't focusing on the kids who were abused. The public isn't seeing that a majority of Penn State students and alum are the only ones focusing on the kids. The students were having prayer circles every night around campus, there were people raising money in one of our central buildings for children of sexual abuse, alumni have set up a website which has already raised over $300,000 for abused children, there was a candlelight vigil where estimates of over 10,000 students attended (as opposed to the 2,000 who rioted). Students set up the blue out on Saturday because the students wanted to remind everyone that it was about the kids, we wanted to raise awareness for child abuse and support the victims. You want to scream and swear and make everyone at Penn State out to be these monsters, but did you know that some of the siblings of those abused go to Penn State? So doesn't that make them terrible people too? You want to chastise this entire University, but what have you done for child abuse? Because I know that a majority of PSU students are doing whatever they can, but you won't see that on the tv or in the newspapers, but the students are continuing to do it anyway. Let me ask are you following the Citadel story with just a much fervor as you are the Penn State story? I highly doubt it, because the media isn't sensationalizing it the way they are the Penn State story. Instead of turning directly to hate, use your time and energy a bit more wisely and actually help out the children of sexual abuse, because Penn Stater's are not the only ones who should be responsible for making sure our children are safe.
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11/14/2011 2:59:00 PM
there lawyer in Pa.
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t-mo 11/14/2011 2:39:00 PM
Well written,,,,but when a University becomes Vatican City.......the conversation steers toward the "place". The pedophile was only protected because of the PLACE he coached. An abusive priest is only protected because of the PLACE from which his abuse began. The catholic church, the revered Penn State, how many other PLACES cause witnesses to "protect" the PLACE over the victim. The conversation needs to still revolve around the place, as well as the victims...because there are still more umbrella-places out there and we need to uncover them as well.
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Rickmandris 11/14/2011 1:43:00 PM
Miss Denise,
To title ;your article Joe Paterno is not the problem is disgusting and misleading. By you putting in this title only angered many who are normal.
JP became the problem when he didn't interview Sandusky about it.
JP became the problem when he only reported it to administration and let it go at that.
Because of that, more kids were molested be Sandusky and that should have been prevented if Papa Joe used his influence and looked into this matter and followed up on it.
All of them who had knowledge of what happened and didn't do anything about it became the problem.
You are not so sure how you would have acted if you witnessed an atrocity such as this?
Hide under a rock and don't come out!!
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GrantGochnaur 11/14/2011 10:53:00 AM
This guy is scum. Ignorance and alcohol is bliss to the majority of the penn state students in state college. Having pride is one thing, but show some humility. Be prepared to look crazy to the rest of the country if you intend on not taking sides with raped children...
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pascott 11/14/2011 10:30:00 AM
Denise wrote probably the first piece of media that shows some investigating and concern for the kids. She didn't attack the football program, those students and players did nothing to these children, moral judgment weren't used by people in authority they didn't n react or do what we expect. I'm at loss for many reasons but the thing that stands out most of all ifs the organization "second chance" for who Sandusky , that organization was informed clear back to1998 and he's still in charge , The organization does wonders for these underprivileged children but what did they do for those 8 boys ??? Don't just blame Penn State that organization had to know he was investigated in 1998 and after that !! ( They did nothing ) The High school ,did nothing , the parents lack of common sense. , I for one as a parent would have never left my kids stay overnight with a man that gives kids gifts all the time and who I personalty didn't know . Would you let your kids stay overnight with your piano teacher, gym coach baseball basketball couch.than not ask your children what they did ???? Yes there is reason to blame the administration but look around : also look in the mirror the next time you see something wrong going on did you get involved or did you turn your back. Spousal and children abuse in America how many neighbors, friends, coworkers, and family say and do nothing.
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Ray F 11/14/2011 9:28:00 AM
I have been reading about Penn State for several days now and as a former child protective investigator with over 20 years in the field of child abuse and neglect I am baffled by what I have read. First the State doesn't seem to have an adequate reporting law such as anyone who is aware of or suspects that a child is being abused should be mandated to report immediately to the police or a child abuse hotline. The failure to report is a criminal offense in many states. Secondly I am aghast that a 28 year old assistant coach sees this act in progress and does not at the least yell out STOP, rush in and protect the child. Can you imagine what you would do if that child was yours or your grandchild or other relative. In most cases a caring person might have struck Sandusky in the process of stopping his rape of the child. As for all of the rest of the University officials their lack of action is inexcusable on all levels. It seems that protecting Penn State was of a higher priority than protecting this child and the many others that had been or will be abused.
In my career I have met many sexually abused children and they are all scared for life. They are often victimized again and again by the same perpetrator and seem to remain victims all of their lives. Most boys don't report the abuse as they are too ashamed or too confused by this horrendous violation of there bodies. There are instances where the perpetrators are well known individuals such as coaches, teachers, Boy Scout leaders and priests and the child feels that he or she will not be believed. My experience supports that problem. A father once told me that he did not believe his young teen sons statement that a priest had sexually abused him. The father stated that the priest could not have done such a thing as he was a man of God. My answer to the father was he was correct in one thing that the priest was a MAN.
We must think of the children first. We must educate them in the earliest school grades as to "good touch bad touch". We must teach them sadly that those who love them or claim to be their friends may have problems that cause them to do things that are not correct and they must tell their teacher,their parents or even the police in order to protect themselves. Think for a minute what ability a young boy or girl has to protect themselves from these predators.I am afraid that we will find out that the number of boys that were abused in those many years will turn out to be more like 40 or 50 which is not an uncommon number among the victims of one pedophile.
Penn State should set an example for the world by creating courses for their students and programs for abused children to help eradicate this horrible crime against our children. They need to stop making excuses, admit their failures and demonstrate that they are capable of becoming a force to help bring about positive change in the protection of children.
Ray F
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Smittynik 11/14/2011 8:43:00 AM
Probably the BEST article I have read on the subject. Thank you for putting this all into prospective. This is how I've felt since day one. I will share this article with everyone I know. From a broken hearted Penn Stater who still bleeds Blue & White.