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02/26/2012 5:19:00 PM
Without A Testimony is also a good read. A personal story of love and loss.
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02/26/2012 5:18:00 PM
Don't elect me! www.jerodkillick.com
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Nancilittle00 11/23/2011 8:33:00 PM
Ah.. you may want to see what the Mormons are doing in Orlando before you continue with that line of rhetoric..
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Nanci Little 11/23/2011 8:31:00 PM
Completely accurate. Read 'Under the Banner of Heaven' which is a book about a murder in the Mormon community and completely accurate.. but it is the background of the faith which interested me the most.. Shocked me, actually! Great book, btw.
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sunshineheart 11/11/2011 6:31:00 AM
I was an active Mormon for 50 years, and this article sounds pretty accurate to me, even if it is slightly irreverent and tongue-in-cheek.
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PBY 11/08/2011 7:18:00 PM
If "open contempt" had been shown to the followers of Jim Jones, David Koresh, Marshall Applewhite, Bagwan Shree Ragneesh, etc, perhaps fewer people would have been harmed by those pseudo-religions.
North America is full of phony religions: let them all enjoy the ridicule they have earned ...
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AG 11/08/2011 3:01:00 PM
This is the most infantile attempt at humor column I've ever read! Get the facts straight and show some professionalism in your writing instead of using demeaning, ridiculing words and rethoric, and portraying a Christian faith in such scornful manner mixing truth/facts with your own ideas, interpretation, and mckery. Very unprofessional and disrespectful!
Romney is a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (get it right); however our faith does not impose it on anyone (we offer what we have and others accept IF they want---Distort this as you wish!) and would NOT impose it on the country! So it's absolutely ridiculous your coffee comment and just the whole entire article!
I wouldn't be surprise if the writer is an ex-member of the faith or just very childish writer!
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Cariocakoanibear 11/08/2011 2:54:00 PM
thought the article was very well written and hilarious ... the story sounds true and you people defenders of your religions should all mellow out ... your faith is your faith it shouldn't matter what others think about it ...
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Sparticus_arch 11/08/2011 2:08:00 PM
Wow. Totally offensive. The author of this article is totally ridiculous. And what is more amazing is that below-average-intelligence Americans will read this trash and think it's the truth. I recognize that everyone has the right to live as they choose, and that everyone has the right to free speech. But electing to treat what someone holds sacred as nothing more than tabloid material is crossing the line. Can't wait 'til it all hits the fan... then we'll see how things shake out.
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11/08/2011 1:57:00 PM
John, John, John, did you even READ the pages I cited? According to Joseph Smith's own mother Stowell came looking for Joseph to search for a treasure because of her son's ability to SEE THINGS OTHER PEOPLE COULDN'T. Stowell paid Joseph for the service.
Why yes, I have read Joseph's account. Can I prove it false? Hello, what did his own mother say?
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11/08/2011 1:12:00 PM
Not much of a sense of humor?
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11/08/2011 1:08:00 PM
Are you sure you are not a Mormon? You sure sound like one to me?
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Brian Young 11/08/2011 1:11:00 AM
I'm not sure why I read anything from Yahoo news...this article mixes humor with truth and lots of opinion that is fairly offensive. I'm not Mormon. But any critical thinking writer really ought to look at the teachings of the church and analyze it that way. To analyze the church "only" by its followers would be less than thorough. For example, from what I understand, the Mormon Church teaches that eventually when an individual reaches heaven he/she can become god or god like. A careful analysis of the faith compared to what Protestants/Catholics believe would be useful. The author's comment about the Catholic Church would no doubt discuss all the "bad catholics" of world history...thus showing in his mind how bad the Church is, without discussing actually what the Church teaches.
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11/07/2011 9:51:00 PM
At least now I know where this crap your spewing comes from. Your attitude is the same bigotry your own ancestors were on the receiving end of. News flash fool, TWO WRONGS DON'T MAKE A RIGHT. Your wrong jerk. Totally wrong. If whites always believed as you do your race would have been exterminated. No one denies Native Americans got screwed. But to single out Mormons like we're some horrible genocidist is screwball. You know that's crap. In our imperfect way Mormons have tried to help. Not forced help. Only to those who wanted it. Some we were able to help, some we failed with. That's normal. What have you done better ? Probably nothing ! People like you are always griping but never really doing anything. Remember , THE ONLY THING YOU ACCOMPLISH BY ACTING LIKE AN ASS IS MAKING YOURSELF LOOK LIKE ONE !
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11/07/2011 8:18:00 PM
Heavens to Jihad, Why don't we just go out and kill all the imperfect people ? I wonder how many would be left. Ndn nfl, you don't know me. You don't know my education level. You only know I'm a Mormon. I am going to give you a taste of your own medicine and see how you like it. You are a narrow minded , shallow thinking , bigoted , hypocritical , jerk who doesn't believe there is a God, you think you are God. Your stupidity is only surpassed by your unjustifiable arrogance. If there has been anyone guilty of piggishness it's you. You sound like you would make one great Nazi. Give them a call jerk, they love creeps like you. By the way, besides Mormons, who else do you hate ? Also can you recommend a perfect religion who's members have never done anything wrong ? Just in case you belong to some sort of Christian Church , A stretch of the imagination I'll admit, in the Bible hatred is condemned as evil . Jesus said git the beam out of your own eye before trying to get the mote out of someone else.
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11/07/2011 7:35:00 PM
MORMONS DID A LOT TO PLENTY OF PEOPLE TO BE DESERVING OF HATE AND SCORN JOHN,,,DOES THAT BOTHERED YOU? MAYBE YOU SHOULD SPEND A LITTLE TIME FIGURING OUT WHY THEY ARE HATED INSTEAD OF SWALLOWING THE LIES HOOK LINE AND SINKER!!! MAYBE YOU SHOULD QUIT MINIMIZING AND EXCUSING THE PIGGISH BEHAVIOR OF YOUR FELLOW ANIMALS,,,IF YOU REACH A POINT WHERE YOU CAN THINK FOR YOURSELF WITHOUT BEING TOLD WHAT TO THINK, DO, WEAR, EAT, DRINK, AND ETC,,,WE MIGHT START TO THINK YOU MIGHT HAVE JOINED THE HUMAN RACE,,,UNTIL THEN,,,YOUR JUST ANOTHER GANGSTER ANIMAL, TRYING TO JUSTIFY YOUR MISERABLE GREEDY EXISTENCE!
BTW,,,ANTI MORMON CRUSADER??? ARE YOU KIDDING ME!!!! ROTFLMAO!!!!
MAYBE PEOPLE ARE BITTER AND HOSTILE BECAUSE WE KNOW EXACTLY WHO YOU ARE, AND NOT JUST WHAT YOU'VE DONE IN THE PAST,,,BUT WHAT YOU ARE DOING NOW,,SO QUIT PLAYING THE VICTIME!! THERE ARE MANY OTHERS THAT MORMONS HAVE GIVEN THAT DUBIOUS HONOR TO!!!
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11/07/2011 7:20:00 PM
I BELIEVE THAT THE MORMONS GENOCIDE MY PEOPLE AND WHEN PUT IN THE TRUST POSITION OF RUNNING NDN SCHOOLS FOR THE BIA THEY MURDERED, TORTURED, BEAT, SEXUALLY ABUSED, THOSE CHILDREN AND WHOLESALE THIEVED FROM NDNS ALLOWING CHILDREN TO STARVE SO THEY COULD STEAL THE FOOD MEANT FOR NDN CHILDREN,,,I HAVE MANY FRIENDS THAT CANNOT LIVE A NORMAL ADULT LIFE BECAUSE OF THESE WACICHU!!!
I BELIEVE THAT IF YOU "CHRISTIANS" BELIEVE IN HELL,,,THAT IS WHAT YOU DESERVE AND MY HOPE THAT IS WHAT YOU FIND!!! IN THE MEANTIME,,, WE KNOW WHO WE ARE, WHERE WE CAME FROM AND WHO OUR ANCESTORS ARE,,,WHICH IS MUCH MORE THAN I CAN SAY FOR YOU PEOPLE!!! BUT THEN, THATS WHAT YOU GET WITH SO MUCH INBREEDING, YOUR MOMMA IS YOUR SISTER AND YOUR AUNT,,JUST WAYYYY TOOO FEW SWIMMERS IN THE GENE POOL!!!
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11/07/2011 7:20:00 PM
Robert339, You speak so scornfully of the Mormon Church as tho they had done something to you. Have they ? Another possibility occurs to me. Are you an Ex-Mormon ? The bitterness in your language and hostility you express seams very personal . It is un-mistakeable. The last possibility can only be you are an Anti-Mormon crusader. Are you ?If your opinions are blinded by your own bigotry you are a discredited witness.
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11/07/2011 7:02:00 PM
Ndl-nfl, The only way you could know the heart and conscience of another person is 1. Knowing them personally so well that you become like one with them. 2.Revelation from God or by whatever higher power you believe in. 3. You are God or the higher power. Question- Do you qualify to make such judgements about everyone or are you revealing you bigotry ? What do you believe in ?
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11/07/2011 5:59:00 PM
HE WANTED TO WRITE THE REALITY,,, THE REAL TRUTH,,,BUT IT WOULD BE SO FULL OF VIOLENCE, OBSCENITY AND FILTH,,,IT WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO BE PRINTED!
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11/07/2011 5:58:00 PM
IF IT WAS LITERAL DITHY,,,THEY WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN ABLE TO PRINT IT IN A PUBLIC FORUM,,,IT WOULD BE TOO FULL OF FILTH AND VIOLENCE!!!
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11/07/2011 5:56:00 PM
THE ONLY THING MISLEADING IS HE KINDA BRUSHES BY MANY OF THE ATROCITIES THEY COMMITTED!!!
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11/07/2011 5:50:00 PM
Well as usual,,,you wacichus have everything upside down, inside out and backwards,,,we NDNS KNOW ALL ABOUT THE MORMON=MORONS!!! THEY ARE MURDERERS, CHILD RAPISTS, THIEVES, LIARS ABUSERS!!! WE KNOW FROM THE HELL YOU PUT OUR CHILDREN THROUGH AT YOUR SO CALLED AGENCY SCHOOLS,,,YOU BETTER RUN HARD AND FAR BECAUSE THERE WILL BE NO ESCAPE FROM THAT HELL YOU SAY YOU BELIEVE IN!!!! BECAUSE THINGS ALWAYS COME AROUND!!! ALWAYS!!!
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11/07/2011 5:47:00 PM
Not to mention what they did to Ndn children in their BIA "school" !!! They did a lot more than disparage!!! More like Murderers, thieves, liars, child abusers, sexually, physically, mentally!!! If their is such a thing as Karma,,,I sure wouldn't be putting someone like rommy in the white house,,,,why tempt that circle to come around any quicker?? And it will come around !!! So all you, I'm on the mormon band wagon,,,choose carefully!!!
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11/07/2011 5:41:00 PM
Yes Fernie,,,the Baptists are Soooommme kind of crazy,,,& sorry dear,,,so are catholics,,,but mormons,,,they get to go to the top of the pike of crazies!!!
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11/07/2011 5:37:00 PM
YOUR WORDS AS STATED ARE A BIG LIE!!! ROTFLMAO!!!! BE GLAD IT"S NOT ME TELLING THE STORY OF WHAT MORMONS DID TO NDN CHILDREN IN THE AGENCY SCHOOLS THAT YOU WERE PAID BY THE BIA TO OPERATE FOR CHILDRENS BENEFIT!!!! YOU ALL SHOULD BE EMBARRASSED TO CLAIM TO BE "MORMON" GO GET A PSYCH EVALUATION AND A C-SCAN,,,YOUR EITHER ALIENS OR HAVE A MAJOR TUMOR PRESSING ON YOUR BRAIN,,,BUT YOUR SURE NOT HUMAN!!!
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11/07/2011 5:31:00 PM
REALLY DL,,,LET ME TELL YOU MY PEOPLE UNDERSTAND QUITE WELL!!! IT WAS BEATEN, STARVED, SEXUALLY ABUSED, MURDERED INTO US AT YOUR HANDS AT THE NDN AGENCY SCHOOLS YOU RAN FOR THE BIA,,,OF COURSE FOR A LOT OF MONEY, WHICH YOU SURE DIDN'T SPEND FOR THE NDN CHILDREN FOR WHOM IT WAS INTENDED!!!
I ONLY HOPE YOU MORONS GET THE PUNISHMENT FOR YOUR CRIMES THAT YOU PROFESS YOU BELIEVE IN!
IF YOU THINK THEIR IS HATRED FOR MORMONS,,,MAYBE THEY EARNED IT HMMM,,,EVERY RAPED, MURDERED, BEATEN, STARVED ABUSED NDN CHILD YOU'VE EARNED IT!
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11/07/2011 5:25:00 PM
ALL I HAVE TO KNOW ARE MY FRIENDS THAT WERE ABUSED (YES IN EVERY WAY) BY MORMON RAN NDN SCHOOLS!!!! THE MORMONS ARE GUILTY OF A HELLLL OF A LOT MORE THAN THEY ARE ACCUSED OF AND I HAVE LIVING BREATHING FRIENDS THAT CAN BACK IT UP BECAUSE THEY ARE TO THIS DAY UNABLE TO LIVE NORMAL EMOTIONAL LIVES BECAUSE OF YOU AND YOUR PEOPLE,,,OH YES,,,YOU PPPOOOORRR PITIFUL THEIVING, MURDERING, SEXUAL ABUSING, LIEING PIECES OF ANIMAL EXCREMENT,,,YOUR IMAGINARY GOD DOESN'T HAVE AN IMAGINARY HELL DEEP AND HOT ENOUGH FOR YOU!!!
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11/07/2011 5:08:00 PM
EXCEPT ROBERT,,,THEY SHOULD TAKE IT SERIOUSLY!!! PEOPLE WHO FOLLOW THESE LOONEY TUNES WILL JUSTIFY ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING,,,BECAUSE THEY CAN JUST MAKE IT UP AS THEY GO ALONG AND THEIR FOLLOWERS WILL FOLLOW WITHOUT QUESTION!!!
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11/07/2011 5:05:00 PM
SO,,,HOW ABOUT WE JUST GO BY WHAT WE AS NDN PEOPLE KNOW ABOUT MORMONS AND THEIR "SCHOOLS FOR NDN CHILDREN" WE AS NDN PEOPLE KNOW THE MORMONS AS MURDERES, TORTURERS,CHILD ABUSERS BOTH SEXUALLY AND OTHERWISE!,,THIEVES, HYPOCRITES, LIARS,,,,,AND I CAN GO ON AND ON,,,I HAVE NAVAHO FRIEND THAT SURVIVED THEIR SO CALL "SCHOOLS" AKA CONCENTRATION CAMPS WHO WILL NEVEREVER LIVE A NORMAL LIFE BECAUSE OF BEING WARPED BY THESE MISCREATINS!!! CAN NEVER HAVE A FAMILY OR RELATIONSHIP BECAUSE OF THESE SADISTS!!!
QUIT TRYING TO USE NDN PEOPLE TO JUSTIFY ANYTHING IN YOUR BOOK MADE UP BY A SCITZOPHRENIC PSYCOPATH!!!! AND TO BELIEVE THAT CR@P YOU WOULD HAVE TO BE TOO!!!
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11/07/2011 4:58:00 PM
SORRY IF THE TRUTH HURTS MARION,,,BUT HE COULD HAVE SAID SOOO MUCH MORE THAT WOULD BE TRUTHFUL ABOUT MORMONS AND THEIR FILTHY HISTORY,,,IF IT WAS ME,,,I WOULD HAVE!!! WE NDNS KNOW EXACTLY WHO YOU ARE!!! MURDERERS AND TORTURERS, SEXUAL ABUSERS OF NDN CHILDREN, THEIVES, LIARS, HYPOCRITES ARE ONLY A FEW CHOICE DESCRIPTIVE WORDS I HAVE FOR MORMONS!!! THE WORLD WOULD BE A MUCH CLEANER PLACE WITHOUT YOU ALL!!!
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11/07/2011 4:47:00 PM
I HAVE NDN FRIENDS THAT HAD THE MISFORTUNE TO BE SENT TO A "MORMON RAN SCHOOL FOR NDN CHILDREN (USA'S GENOCIDAL NDN POLICY USE CHURCHES OF ALL KINDS AND MONEY THAT WAS INTENDED BY THE TREATIES TO PAY FOR SOME OF THAT STOLEN LAND (WHAT A JOKE)) MANY NEVER LIVED TO GET AWAY FROM THOSE MFers!!! MANY TO THIS DAY WILL NEVER LIVE A NORMAL LIFE BECAUSE OF THE ABUSE THESE MORONS DID TO THEM,,I DATED A NAVAHO GUY THAT CAME THROUGH ONE OF THEIR SCHOOLS AND HE WILL NEVER EVER BE ABLE TO HAVE A RELATIONSHIP!!!
AMERICAN INDIANS DESPISE THESE MURDERERS OF INDIAN CHILDREN!!!
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11/07/2011 2:56:00 PM
All I can say is that I don't want to see another US President from Texas. Haven't we had
enough "alamos" around the world to keep us in debt trying to save the world from
tyrants? I don't ever remember seeing JR Ewing showing up in a church...no oil there I suppose and maybe the sacrificial wine isn't strong enough for most Texans?
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11/07/2011 2:43:00 PM
Pete Kotz has created a new career as political comedian. I guess I'm still on the books
as a Mormon from when I lived out west back in the 50's and searching for a felowship.
The history of his article is almost accurate as to locations, etc. Men actually married
the many widows and took care of their children, thus enlarging the Mormon community.
So what's the difference between their way back then and what the Saudi Arabians still
do if they have they money? This is really hillarious and just the laugh I needed....well
if Romney gets into the White House I'm sure there will be coffee, tea and postum and
no hanky panky in the dark hallways ...don't know about the Hollywood starlets if they
know Donnie and Marie. What's your next target, Pete? I need a laugh to begin
the day. Ceilvero.
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11/07/2011 11:54:00 AM
Religion is a mental illness that has NOTHING to do with your spirituality!!! Smith was a con artist as are most religious loonies! It's all about POWER, CONTROL & WEALTH,,,not always in that order, BUT ALWAYS THE GOAL!
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11/07/2011 9:38:00 AM
I would like to say something about my political views. I have strong feeling about Mitt Romney, I don't like him very much. I feel somethings not right with him. Not because he's Mormon.My favorite candidate is Herman Cain. A political outsider with real work experience. No silver spoon in his mouth. I like him manly because like most Americans I feel like a political outsider too.
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11/07/2011 9:31:00 AM
Dear Joseph Smith, Years ago I was given an Anti-Mormon book to read." Who Really Wrote The Book Of Mormon." It was written by 3 men claiming Joseph Smith the Mormon Prophet plagerized a story by a Mr.Solomon Spalding. The book was the equal to a prosecution case presented in court. The differences being, 1. The alleged witnesses could not be cross examined. 2. Expert witnesses did not examine the evidence. 3.No defence rebuttal or witnesses were presented. I was accused of rejecting the evidence for not taking the authors word for granted that they were right. Today, you can read the Solomon Spalding manuscript for yourself. It's online. It doesn't resemble the Book Of Mormon in any way. Prof - Joseph Smith didn't plagerize Solomon Spalding. Joseph, I have not questioned your integrity, you have questioned mine. How about giving me the benefit of the doubt until proven quilty.
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11/07/2011 2:13:00 AM
can you write an article like this on every religion?
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Joseph Smith 11/06/2011 7:11:00 PM
You obviously don't listen to Boyd packer. The mantle is far, far greater than the intellect. Read it then come back.
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Joseph Smith 11/06/2011 7:08:00 PM
Joseph Smith was convicted of it.
But I bet you will keep believing. People like you believe in belief, not evidence.
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Joseph Smith 11/06/2011 7:05:00 PM
Only Mormons say in good standing.
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Joseph Smith 11/06/2011 7:04:00 PM
Let me set the record straight. Adam is NOT god. I am.
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Joseph Smith 11/06/2011 7:02:00 PM
Tell them thank you for calling your church the "whore of all the earth."
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Joseph Smith 11/06/2011 7:00:00 PM
I am offended that Mormons are offended.
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Chellechelle 11/06/2011 6:24:00 PM
I've been an active member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints ('Mormon') my whole life & not ONCE have I heard the phrase "lying for the Lord". Untruth, in any form is strictly forbidden, as stated in the 10 commandments. We believe that truth will always win out. So there is no NEED to 'lie for the Lord'. Makes no sense. Please don't publish what has NEVER been taught in my religion as 'fact'. Who's the liar? Not us. We are up front about what we believe & take persecution & martyrdom for it.
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The4dollarbill 11/06/2011 12:43:00 PM
Oh my god. I'm an ex mormon and this was the best article EVAR!!
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Ljrboating 11/06/2011 11:04:00 AM
Shameful article that creates false opinions of mormons. Romney will be good for our country as a result of his past business experience. To believe this article would be the same as asuming inter-family pro-creation, is the norm in backwood baptist.
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11/06/2011 5:53:00 AM
Robert, I am taking up your challenge. I recieved your message Saturday evening. I have limited access to a computer. But, I have found online a copy of your suggested book at the public library in Okeechobee, Fl. I can't order it personally with my computer but Tuesday, when next the library in Ft.Pierce opens, I will seek an inter library loan. And yes, I will get back to you after reading it.
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11/06/2011 5:03:00 AM
Sam, Josiah Stowell is a man who employed Joseph Smith as common labor. Joseph Smith himself has told the story. He has given his employment to Mr.Stowell as the source of the false stories attributed to him. Do you know Joseph's account of that event? Can you prove it false? Mr.Stowell never filed a complaint against Joseph. I have never come across a first had account of Joseph treasure hunting except himself, something he explains reasonably. I am going to read the book recomended to me by Robert. I'll let you know what I think.
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Eduardomade 11/06/2011 3:54:00 AM
I am a Catholic from Tucuman Argentina and lived in The United States since the age of 17.
I can tell you that in my opinion, The Mormons I met, without exception, were all very nice, educated, polite and an example to follow.
I thought many times to travel to Salt Lake City, and to learn more about these great people. I wish most God believers were anything close to The Mormons and their superb behavior. No, nobody pays me, nor encourages me to write all this, I am doing it because it is exactly the way I feel, from seeing the Mormons behavior. Where I live now, Bay Harbor Islands, you never see any Mormons, but you do see them in very poor and depressed parts of the World.
My congratulations to The Mormon Church, for guiding its followers to become such good examples, of what a God believing person should be like.
Sincerely,
Eduardo Made
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11/05/2011 9:59:00 PM
If you remove the second 'm' from Mormons you get MORONS..... haha.
Your all a bunch of dummies... All religions around the world.. no matter how obscure...from the Greeks worshiping gods to christians to buhda ... they all believe in an afterlife.... seems all religion is rooted in man's fear of his own mortality and the desire to live forever.
Idiots.
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11/05/2011 5:44:00 PM
Replying to Bill on the part of his comments about the military, I would rather see the new president add to the military than subtract. Drawing down from two wars doesn't mean that we need less military personell. For instanace Obama tells the world just when he is removing ALL of our troops from Iraq and Iran immediately went in started taking over. Bad move. You never tell the enemy what you are planning. Anyway, I am looking strongly at Herman Cain. He makes sense and that is almost a first for any of the White House contenders. But, then again, they are all politicians and Cain isn't.
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11/05/2011 4:03:00 PM
Romney shouldn't be elected, but not because he's a mormon. It's because he's a throwback to another era. His ideas about the economy have been tried and failed, his wanting to increase our already bloated defense budget is very worrisome, and his many flip-flops on so many issues show a lack of conviction and values. There's just not a lot there to vote for. I'm not rich enough to benefit from his policies, and I'm sure that he will have to eliminate social security and medicare as we know them to pay for his tax cuts for corporations and rich individuals, and his military adventures. Why does he want to increase the size of the military by 100,000 soldiers at a time when we're winding down two wars? Does he plan to invade Iran?
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11/05/2011 3:04:00 PM
Romney's mormonism is a distraction. He talks about his religious beliefs one day,, and then plays the part of the victim when the media beging to produce pieces on mormonism. The danger is Romney is how he transfers his religious views to his political positions. He says that he believes that God has a special place for America. This appeal to the old notion of American exceptionalism is outmoded in the real world we live in. America is still the leading country of the world, but our resources are not being put where we need them. Instead of improving our education system, our infrastructure, our attraction for the best minds of the world, etc., Romney wants to increase the size of the defense budget by $37 billion a year and the army by 100,000 soldiers. We need to grow our country at home, not by military adventures. He doesn't appear to see that.
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11/05/2011 2:44:00 PM
almost 50 years has passed and always the same non sense I've observed. the more educated political men becomes, the more he at all does not represents the working class . What is the point of staying in line to vote for these jokers? I rather sleep late . Just tired .. I trust God and myself no one else.. As far as the LDS church goes, it is all good, there are so much love in it, because it has full authority of God and one day all will see with their own eyes that the Book Of Mormon is precious and direct from God and yes that Joseph Smith is a prophet of God.. Just give a chance to be happy my friends and listen to missionaries ... From Nephi to Moroni the Book of Mormon is all about Jesus our savior. I know that there are lots of good people on all church, some way better than me, but be sure, The Church of Jesus Christ of Later Day Saints ( Mormons) is the only church recognized by God on the earth.Amen
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11/05/2011 1:49:00 PM
First of all, (and that why we love our Belief) Because there isn't not even 0.1% of truth of what people says. There is NOT even that. And Joseph Was only 14years old when God Told him that His church (because that was really this tender boy wanted to find out. The Truth Church. He was not to join any of the sectarians mega noises at that time, because they worshiped whit their own lips but their hearts were so far from him. Besides when he saw the Vision, the first person He run and wanted to share with was he's religion leader pastor. But He was attacked immediately by and since then Said Joseph Started the more cruel persecution on for just had said the truth. Quoted his own words Remember 14years old boy " Because I now this is truth And I really Saw a vision And God Knows And I know other wise I'd just give up , quit and leave". He was been tortured by the intolerance of the narrowed minded people. Like Moroni, Appeared unto him and told Him that he's name would be taken for Good and for bad, Many would love him, many will not. Like today still is not the the noisy easy non pain message! is the Real Gospel Of Jesus Christ of Whom this little boy bore record of it. Now How We people from far away like me Know? Because like the other millions had done it. We ask God The eternal Father in the name of His Son Jesus Christ if this is Truth or not. He will Answer Him self. And then Know the whole truth.
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11/05/2011 11:35:00 AM
It was funny, bordering on high school silliness. Factual? Kinda. Guy needs to do a leetle more reseach into the Mormons. And no I am not one but spent a number of years in SLC, so saw a bit more of the everyday folks than most. Read up on what Brigham Young really thought of women and Mormon men who had not started a family by 24 or so.
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Laaldaba2 11/05/2011 2:13:00 AM
Egad!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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11/04/2011 9:12:00 PM
You are right; you never did say that lying for the Lord was doctrinal. And, I'm glad that you are giving me one more chance to be honest about whether or not I am familiar with the phrase, "lying for the Lord" in the context of Mormon culture. Let me make myself perfectly clear (so you can stop repeating the same argument over and over again), I HAVE NEVER HEARD THIS PHRASE USED IN THE CONTEXT OF MORMON CULTURE before you brought it up on this board and I guarantee that I have been to church and actually listened to what was being taught (and have been surrounded by "Mormon culture") way more than you have, so you can stop "testing" me. I'm sorry that I'm not giving you the answer that you want to hear. Funny how asking the same question over and over again is giving you the same results. You can continue to call me a liar, even though I have asked you several times politely to not use name-calling. But, that's one of the many differences between you and me. I can have this discussion and still keep my manners in tact.
You're also right about another point. I did not defend the lies that you wrote about Joseph Smith because that's exactly what they are, lies. Any intelligent human being whose mind has not been consumed by bitterness can read about Joseph Smith for themselves and figure it out.
I noticed that you had nothing more to say about Latter-day Saints being "commanded" to not associate with apostates. Is it because what I said made sense? Do you even realize that a large part of the missionary work that goes on involves family members that are active in the church wanting to reactivate family members who are no longer active? A good solid chunk of missionary work and possible converts would go out the window if we were "commanded" not to associate with apostates. I have a family member who was excommunicated. They had another family member "associate" with them and they were re-baptized (by their own choice, not forced, let's just make that clear now). I'm going to take a wild guess here that you actually served a mission based on the age that you told me you were when you "escaped" from the "cult". I bet you barely got out with your life. Considering that I personally know people who have been excommunicated, I doubt that it was as dramatic and exaggerated as you make it out to be.
And, a feeling is not the only way that someone can know the truth and you know this (even if you haven't been to church for a long time). "Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them," (Bible, KJV, Matthew 7:20, also Book of Mormon, 3rd Nephi 14:20). Not just by a feeling. And this applies to any circumstance in life. Think about it. How do you know drugs are bad? Do you feel they are bad? Sure, you can feel uncomfortable about them. The idea of using a drug might make you nervous. But, that's not the only way. You see the effects that drugs have on people and on their health. The addiction, the money wasted, families torn apart, the abuse that comes with it. You see the outcome that using drugs is not good. So, you put two and two together and by using logic you come to the conclusion that they are bad (in most people's opinions, but maybe not yours).
As far as I can see, the fruits of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints have been good and sweet. I have an eternal perspective on this life that gives me hope and comfort. I have a family that I know I will not lose when I die because of the doctrines that the church teaches. I have wonderful memories of my teenage years because of the activities that the church provided through the youth programs. I have friendships from College that continue on today because of the common ground we found in the church during those college years.
What is wrong with a doctrine that teaches that families can be forever? That you have your agency? That God loves you? That follows Jesus and testifies of Him through the Bible and Book of Mormon (another testament of Jesus Christ)? That teaches you self-sufficency and to do good towards your fellowmen? That gives you an eternal perspective on things and answers to some of life's hardest questions? These are all things that you forgot to mention when you were describing this "cult" (maybe we can substitute the word "cult" for "Christian religion" for a change).
Yes, you do have to work for these things. Nothing is free. We don't smoke and we don't drink (alcohol, coffee, or tea). We don't swear (much). We are asked to go to church on Sunday for 3 hours and give 10% of our profit (income from work) to a church that is one of the best known for their humanitarian efforts. We are asked to give our all to the Lord (what Christian religion doesn't teach that we should give everything to the Lord?).
But, not being able to go to Starbucks for a latte, not wasting my money on alcohol and cigarettes that could end up killing me early, giving up some of my time for knowledge in return, some of my money to help those in need and help build up a cause I believe in, and knowing that I would give my all for the Lord feels like a small price to pay for all I get in return.
Again, the difference between you and me is that I will speak the truthfulness and beauty of this Christian religion to my last breath, whereas, you choose to spread hatred and bitterness with yours.
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Summer 11/04/2011 7:50:00 PM
Actually, it's all true. Tongue-in-cheek, but true.
http://mormonthink.com/
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Nick Puravida 11/04/2011 7:31:00 PM
The fact is, this article is FUNNY and FACTUAL - except maybe for the bundt cake. Read something other than the squeaky clean church history you are given in church to read and you will see it is all true. The fact is this, it happened in the past, so who really cares. But, people care enough for the church to say, maybe, "hey, sorry about all that in the past, shouldn't have happened, we were not alive when it did, but we do not teach that now..." Instead of, "it never happened, you must be unhappy, you must be offended, you must have committed a sin, you must have been led astray by satan, you must not read or think about anything but what the prophet tells you, you must.......... blah, blah, blah..." Just tackle the tough issues, apologize or not for the past, and then move on. Most likely, these articles will stop because no one will be able to bring up things from the church's past that haven't already been "questioned and answered".
It's okay for the mormons to say they don't agree with other religions or beliefs. But, it's not okay for non-mormons or ex-mormons to say they don't agree with mormons - it's automatically an attack. Lighten up, learn to live with your past, and prove everyone wrong, be good, caring, christians or LDS members.
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11/04/2011 5:03:00 PM
Mitt is the Flip-flop candidate and Mormonism is the Flip-flop Cult.
Polygamy is the "new and everlasting covenant".
Polygamy is no longer practiced.
Blacks were less valiant in the pre-existence so we can discriminate against them.
Blacks are now allowed in the Temple.
The Book of Mormon was translated by the Urim and Thumim.
The Book of Mormon was translated by Joseph's peep-stone.
Mormons used to swear vengeance on the US Government in their temples for the death of Joseph Smith.
Mormons are model citizens.
The Book of Mormon was a history of the Native Americans.
We don't know who the descendants of the Lamanites are.
When the "dark, filthy and loathsome" American Indians accept Mormonism, they will become "White and delightsome".
When the "dark, filthy and loathsome" American Indians accept Mormonism, they will become "PURE and delightsome".
Adam is God.
Adam isn't God.
ETC ETC ETC
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11/04/2011 4:45:00 PM
Of course your a Mormon. Only Mormons defend the Cult when others point out the absurdity of their teachings.
Please state in what way the author was "prejudice".
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11/04/2011 4:40:00 PM
"Go create something useful and meaningful". Like what? A religion based on peep-stones, buried treasure, Hebrew American Indians, Multiple Gods, plural marriage to underaged girls and the wives of other men, racism and homophobia?
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11/04/2011 4:38:00 PM
the only viable Mormon candidate for president is Mitt Romney. While his religion has a checkered past, it's his lack of values that is troubling. He says he supports social security, for example, but only when it was politically necessary to say so. He wants to cut corporate taxes (many large corporations (GE, Chevron, ExxonMobil, for example) pay no US income tax as it is now! He wants to add 100,000 troops and $37 billion a year to the military for no apparent reason while he is against the jobs bills that are before Congress.
He has flip-flopped on so many issues that it shows that he is not grounded in anything. He was pro-choice, now he's pro-life. He was supportive of gay rights, now he's against them. He was for the Romneycare health care reform, now he's against Obama's health reform bill which is nearly identical. And so on.Also, he brought up his relationship with God as a driving force in his candidacy, and then, cried foul when people started to report on his religion. I don't think we can trust him with the presidency. He should go back into big business. Any values other than greed are unnecessary there.
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Anon 11/04/2011 4:37:00 PM
I'm not a Mormon. There's a funny, tasteful way to satirize Mormon beliefs that doesn't cross the line into bigotry and open contempt-- Trey Parker and Matt Stone have shown how it's done. But any attempt at legitimate criticism or humor in this article is completely overwhelmed by the simmering prejudice of its author. It might have been funnier and more effective had he his bigotry in check.
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11/04/2011 4:34:00 PM
Marion Morgan, I think that you're not actually a Catholic "in good standing" (whatever THAT'S supposed to mean), but a sneaky little Mormon who thinks that lying about it would give your silly post more weight. Tell me where and why you did YOUR research on the Mormon Cult my "Catholic" friend?
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11/04/2011 4:30:00 PM
Mormonism is a joke because the doctrines and scriptures of your Cult are easily falsified and totally absurd. It's not the fault of non-Mormons for knowing this.
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Anon 11/04/2011 4:26:00 PM
If someone wrote an article titled: "Jews: Hate 'em or elect 'em," and concluded that the answer is "your call," it would be widely and justifiably condemned as bigotry. It certainly would never see the light of day in the New Times. But hatred of some religions is socially acceptable among the irony-uber-alles, thick-rimmed-glasses, pseudo-hipster set.
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11/04/2011 4:26:00 PM
First of all, I never said that Lying for the Lord was "doctrinal". That's how I know that you are lying. You think that because "Lying for the Lord" is not found in scripture, that you can PRETEND that you don't know what I'm talking about and not be a LIAR. So I will test your honesty once again. were you familiar with the phrase "Lying for the Lord" in context of Mormon culture before I brought it up on this board? Yes or no?
I noticed that you didn't try to defend the serial-lies of Joseph Smith. That obviously is a no win situation for you.
Regarding my 'bitterness', let me say that the single most important event of my life was my escape from the Mormon Cult. The liberation of my mind at age 25 saved my life. It saved me from the delusion that truth can be known by a feeling. What a conceited and idiotic notion is the idea that a burning of the bosom can be correlated with truth. I have family and friends who are still victims of the lies of the Mormon Cult. I'll speak the truth to the lies of the Cult to my last breath.
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11/04/2011 4:06:00 PM
Ok John Proctor, here is a source that is USDA Mormon Cult approved. Richard Lyman Bushman's Joseph Smith, Rough Stone Rolling, page 48-52 subchapter title TREASURE. There were many witnesses to Joe Smith's magical gold hunting with his PEEP STONE, and there's not a single reputable historian that doesn't acknowledge that the founder of the Mormon Cult was convicted in a US Court for falsely claiming the power to use a peep-stone for finding buried treasure.
My question to you John Proctor is, do YOU believe in magical peep-stones? Do you believe that a convicted fraud translated gold plates with a peep-stone? Do you? You call your leaders "Prophets, SEERS, and Revelators". Joe Smith's "seer"-stone is in the Mormon Cult's possession. Why didn't your prophet Gordon Hinkley use it to ascertain that the Hoffman Papers were forgeries, saving your Cult's money and reputation? Why doesn't Thomas Monson use it to finish Joseph Smith's unfinished "Inspired" translation of the New Testament? The TRUTH about Mormon History is sadly funnier than any article in a Florida newspaper.
People of reason don't take Mormon's seriously because their Cult is such an obvious fraud. Twenty minutes on an honest internet search will disprove the absurd claims of the Mormon Cult in a myriad of ways. That's why your leaders command the Cult Members not to read "anti-Mormon literature." Why would that be if you're not a Cult? I "believe" that Evolution is true, and I can and have read "anti-evolution literature" and it didn't change my mind.
Like most Mormons who think that it's ok to deceive as long as you technically didn't lie, I think that you KNOW that Joseph Smith used a peep stone to hunt for buried treasure. You think that there isn't accepted documentation because you believe the lies of Mormon Cult Apologists. You've said that you would look into my sources, so I will give you an upstanding Mormon as a source. So go have a read of Bushman's book and return and report. I'll be waiting...
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11/04/2011 3:56:00 PM
Wow what a shitty piece of writing for a shitty website. Let's just go delude people more, satire or not. Go create something useful and/or meaningful.
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Marion Morgan 11/04/2011 3:02:00 PM
I am a Catholic in good standing and I believe what I just read is, in every way, false. I don't understand why someone would write such garbage. I hope no one believes any of it. Do your own research and you will find a vastly different history of this religion. This is the U.S.A. and the last time I looked it is a freedom of ours to worship as we wish. Shame on the author of this trash.
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CJ 11/04/2011 3:02:00 PM
You call yourself a writer? Might want to look for another job. Pathetic. Write something like this about any other group in America and you'll get your ass kicked. What makes this ok??
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Ashcornejo139 11/04/2011 2:57:00 PM
Pretty good Article... Coming from an active Latter-day Saint.
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Lickerpoet 11/04/2011 2:56:00 PM
Even the most serious, academic review of Mormon origins has to generate some laughter.
From a family of treasure hunters, placing a seer stone in the bottom of a stovepipe hat, putting the hat to his face to block out the light, and seeing revelations in the stone; Joseph Smith began his career as a scryer.
Many , including myself, have parodied these Mormon origins. Pete Kotz does an excellent job portraying the humor that is Mormon belief; excellent, but not exceptional. That is, until he combined this old story of the Mormon diaspora with the contemporary tale of the dissatisfied
99 percenters occupying city centers. Occupy Utah.....true brilliance. Thank you Mr. Kotz.
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11/04/2011 2:38:00 PM
John Proctor posted: "Name one person who gave Joseph Smith money to find treasure."
Josiah Stowell (sometimes spelled Stoal) ref: Lucy Smith (Joseph Smith's mother) in her biography of her son, Critical Edition, 359-61.
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ED 11/04/2011 1:28:00 PM
Ballsy article Pete. Hysterical read!
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11/04/2011 7:58:00 AM
Robert, I will repeat my reply. Name one person who gave Joseph Smith money to find treasure. Name one. You won't be able to. Now for a fact, there were lots of Joseph Smith's in New York in the 1800's. It was a common name. It still is. I live in St.Lucie county. Our clerk of court is a Joseph Smith. There's also a Joseph Smith in Florida's state penitentiary. You might consider you got the wrong Joseph Smith. Now I challenge you Robert, I will look into anything you refer me to. Name your witnesses. Where can your info be checked and verified. Court records are a good place to start. Which court in which county. Who are the witnesses? How would they stand under cross examination.
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11/04/2011 2:33:00 AM
First, I am not obligating you to respect anything except me as an individual. Telling me to "bow my head and say yes" is totally disrespectful. Second, it's not right to call me a liar. You don't know me. You may think you do because you know I'm Mormon, but besides that, you know nothing about me so let's stop the name calling.
And, yes, I have no idea what you are talking about when you say that it is taught in our doctrine to "lie for the Lord". Your response to my "lying for the Lord" question about finding this in our doctrine was not answered. You simply stated your opinion on it.
I am really sorry for your experience. It sounds like whatever you went through was hard and obviously painful for you. You should have never been coerced into doing anything you didn't believe in. Being forced into something can never led to anything positive.
We have had completely different experiences and maybe it's because I have always felt that it was my choice. My choice to wake up at 5:30 in the morning to attend Seminary through my high school years. My choice to be sealed to my family in the temple when I was 15. My choice to be active in the youth program and to continue to be active when I left home and went to college. My choice to go to the temple and later be married there. My choice to continue to wake up every morning, say my prayers, and read my scriptures. And, my choice to teach my children the principles that have brought me so much happiness and given me an eternal perspective on life and to also teach them that they have to choose for themselves their course. They will never be forced. All these choices and the experiences that followed have led me to such positive results in my life and brought me the most happiness.
Even if you don't believe in the beliefs that The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints teaches anymore, you can choose to stop being bitter about it and move on. You're right, you are under no obligation to respect anything, but I can still ask that you respect me as an individual and the beliefs that I have. Whether or not you choose to do so is up to you.
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taylor paul 11/04/2011 1:54:00 AM
Hey. Utah is Awesome. And Mormons are good. This article proves it. Do whatever it takes to fight oppression, even if it means taking over the USA. Mwahhahaha. And they can, cause Romney portrays a man that is meant to exemplify American Republican ideals. Mormon Mitt.. He'll say anything to make you happy.
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11/04/2011 1:54:00 AM
So you ARE going to lie that you don't know what I'm talking about when i say "lying for the Lord". You think that because you didn't deny it directly, it isn't a lie. Such is Mormon Cult "morality".
I guess that the tradition of Lying in the Mormon Cult originates from the founder, and world-class liar, Joseph Smith. The "Prophet" lied constantly about his 33 or so illegal marriages. Lied to Mormons, non-Mormons, legal authorities, Mormon leaders, the Press, his Wife and family, and etc. Lying about Polygamy continued into the 20th Century, as the Cult leaders continued to perform pleural marriages in the Temple, many years after they claimed in a Manifesto that they no longer performed these illegal rituals.
I call the Mormon Church a Cult because it fits the classic definitions of a Cult. I wouldn't expect a believing cultist to see it rationally.
I am under no obligation to "respect" the Temple or any of the stupid rituals that Joseph Smith ripped off from the Masons. I was coerced at age 18 to make oaths giving everything that I have or ever will have to the Cult. Then they threatened me with three death oaths with the accompanying name, and manner of execution. Sick, twisted and typical of Cults.
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11/04/2011 1:14:00 AM
Since you know our doctrine so well, would you care to show me where it states that we should "lie for the Lord". Also, what is your definition of a cult? You use it very loosely and I'm wondering if you use it to refer to all religions? And listen, if we are going to have any type of discussion, keep it respectful (I'm referring to your last sentence in your comment above).
I understand that it's been a while since you've sat in a temple recommend interview. Mine has been in the last year. No where do they ask you if you "associate with apostates" let alone "command" you not to. If that were the case, more members than not would not be attending the temple. Think about it, if you still have active members in your family (which I'm guessing that you do, based on your knowledge) then they would not be able to continue to associate with you and I know that is not the case. I know for me that all of my brother and sisters were once members and now they are not, but me "associating" with them would not have anything to do with going to the temple.
I'm sorry to hear that you were left with a bitter taste in your mouth. I find it sad that you feel the need to try and spread that bitterness. Whether you are religious or not, I'm sure you would agree that we all make our own choices that have consequences to follow. I must have also missed the "brainwashing" Sunday because whether or not I'm a member of this Church has always been my decision and no one else's.
What does it have to do with the "facts" you've presented? They are not facts, but are clouded by that bitterness you are so intent on spreading.
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11/04/2011 12:43:00 AM
So are you telling me that you've never heard of "lying for the Lord" Folks, you've just seen a perfect example of lying for the Lord!
You should listen more closely in your next Temple Recommend interview, It's there that they ask if you associate with apostates.
And if I sound to you like an exmormon, it's because I actually know church history, unlike active members.
As to my bitterness, I have a reason to be bitter. I was brainwashed into the Mormon Cult as a child. It kinda leaves a bad taste in ones mouth. But what has that to do with the actual facts I've presented? Nothing. Now bow your head Gville2009, and say "yes".
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11/04/2011 12:32:00 AM
Thank you John Proctor, for perfectly illustrating my earlier assertion that Mormons don't know actual Mormon history. Let me quote from (active Mormon Historian) Richard Lyman Bushman's biography, Joseph Smith, Rough Stone Rolling, pg 52. It is an account of 20 year old Joseph Smith's conviction in court for being a "disorderly person" (laws existed that forbade people using magic to find lost treasures).
"Under examination, Joseph (Smith) said that he had looked for "hidden treasures in the bowels of the earth" and had helped Stowell several times. For the past three years at Palmyra (going back to the time he found the seerstone in 1822) "he had frequently ascertained in that way where lost property was.""
Your dear Leader Joseph Smith admitted in a US Court that he had been paid to find treasure. His confession is confirmed by dozens of friends, family, and enemies. So, John Proctor, how is it that YOU don't know this? Are you a liar, or were you lied to by your Cult?
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RaptorJ 11/04/2011 12:26:00 AM
This article was great. Very funny, and it's better to know Mormon history in order to get all of the jokes. There are a lot of unbiased sources to Mormon history out there. All very interesting because the religion's history is filled with blood, sex, and calling rock and roll "evil."
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11/04/2011 12:14:00 AM
Wow, if I was commanded not to talk to an apostate, I couldn't speak with half my family. Funny, I've been a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints all my life and have attended church faithfully. I must have missed that lesson where they "commanded" us not to talk to apostates (along with the "lying for the Lord" lesson - must've been the same Sunday I was out). I can tell you one thing though, you sound like you were once a member of the Church yourself and something went very wrong for you and you are now bitter.
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11/04/2011 12:13:00 AM
If this article is an attempt at being funny, it does not succeed. I'm surprised that a publication like the Miami News Times would publish something like this without getting it's facts straight. They should be ashamed. It just goes to show that anything can be circulated on the internet, including the ramblings of an idiotic mind like Pete Kotz.
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Guest 11/04/2011 12:08:00 AM
Wow, if I was commanded not to talk to an apostate, I couldn't speak with half my family. Funny, I've been a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints all my life and have attended church faithfully. I must have missed that lesson where they "commanded" us not to talk to apostates (along with the "lying for the Lord" lesson - must've been the same Sunday I was out). I can tell you one thing though, you sound like you were once a member of the Church yourself and something went very wrong for you and you are now bitter.
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Dithyrambic 11/03/2011 11:52:00 PM
I think most people who read this found it very humerous, and did not consider to be a literal history of the Mormon people. But I'm curious as to whether you can identify any church-history statements in the article that are inaccurate? (I'm not talking about tongue in cheek quips about Samoans, I'm talking about the historical stuff, like the Mountain Meadows Massacre).
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Dithyrambic 11/03/2011 11:42:00 PM
John, go read Rough Stone Rolling, by Richard L. Bushman, a prominent and active LDS Historian. He thoroughly documents Joseph Smith's gold digging, and describes who hired him. This funny write-up may have been brash, but I don' know that anything here is inaccurate, although I'd never heard of the successors to JS trying to poison each other. Can anyone provide a reference for this?
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11/03/2011 6:58:00 PM
yo Nick!!! hey i like the I'm an ex-mormon thingy like you are in a Mormon commercial...just an ex-mormon commercial!! :)
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11/03/2011 6:56:00 PM
yeah but gonesouth... i want to learn about the meat...not the milk!! and i did go to the LDS site....and learned all about Joseph Smith and his WIVES!! some as young as 14....and MANY that were already married..... ole Joe sent out some of those husbands obn missions and married their wives while they were away!!! OY VAY!!
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11/03/2011 6:52:00 PM
yo Nick!!! hey i like the I'm and ex-mormon thingy like you are in a Mormon commercial...just an ex-mormon commercial!! :)
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11/03/2011 6:43:00 PM
The Guilty Verdict at Joseph Smith's Gold Digging Trial
Court records would show that Joseph Smith, Jr. was found guilty of the charges against him and fined. The records indicate the use of the seer stones which the church has claimed to be the Urim and Thummin years before the Mormon founder started his translation work on the Book of Mormon. Little more than a fine would come from the trial of the Mormon prophet, at least from his perspective. The accounts of the trial have given Mormons historians something to speculate on and Mormon apologists headaches for decades.
your Mormon history has many problems.... they were told to vacate property they had bought in MO(dont think that was kosher).... but this article is funny to me..cause it is all true! Ole Joe Married/was sealed for all time and eternity to many teenagers while he was at least twice their age.... gave his "wife" Emma the fits... he even was caught in the "act" by her!! Her dad did not trust Ole Joe either.... i hear Ole Joe was a good wrestler though!! just sayin!
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11/03/2011 6:21:00 PM
All religion is ridiculous. I believe in a flying spaghetti monster, it is what I truly believe in. To say that my beliefs are dumb one has to look look at there own beliefs. The talking snake or the magic underwear. Jonah lived in a big fish and that a man in the sky decides your fate. Straight BS.....if a God does exist then he is the biggest A hole of all time. First he creates me knowing damn well I wont believe in him and then after I die he banishes me to a fiery prison for all of eternity. Nice thanks alot buddy.
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11/03/2011 6:18:00 PM
The Mormon religion is out of the mainstream. However, what's scary about Romney is that he's a wolf in sheep's clothing. He wants to cut taxes on the rich and the corporations, increase the size of the army by 100,000 and the defense budget by $37 billion a year (Russia's total defense budget is $52 billion). He's going to do away with social security and medicare as we know it. And he wants a flat tax which will increase taxes on the middle income and poor.
And then there's his flip-flops: For example, He supported the Romneycare program in Massachusetts, but swears that the almost identical Obamacare is bad and must be stopped. He was pro-choice for years. Now he's pro-life. He was a supporter of gay rights, now he's against them. It's not that Mormon values are bad. It's that Romney values don't appear to exist...except during political campaigns.
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11/03/2011 6:10:00 PM
Robert, You clearly know nothing about Mormons. Why don't you try reading what Joseph Smith had to say about himself and then match it to proven facts. The gold digger story for example. Not one person can be named who ever gave Joseph Smith money to find treasure, not one. Read all the descriptions of the man. He was smart, he was dumb. He was animated, he was reserved. He was hard working, he was lazy. He couldn't be them all ! Thomas Ford, the governor of Illinois in 1844 openly stated that if the Mormons were guilty of half the things they were accused of , they would be the wickedest of people. If they were innocent of half the things they were accused of , they were the most slandered of people. The Mormons didn't do the persecuting, they were the persecuted. Yes there was the Mountain Meadows Massacre in 1857. A tragedy the Mormon Church acknowledges. You will notice it never happened again. The Mormons were the victims many times.
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Mike 11/03/2011 4:57:00 PM
As a Mormon living in Utah I have to say Pete knows the real history more than most here in Utah. I was laughing my butt off. Pete you can have one of my wives in the next life.
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11/03/2011 4:56:00 PM
If you want to learn the TRUTH about Mormonism, good luck getting it from a Mormon. First of all Mormons don't teach their REAL history, but their own white-washed "correlated" version. The Mormon Cult excommunicates historians who write about their real history. Mormon "Apostle" D. Oaks commanded Mormon "educators" not to teach the real history because "just because something is true, doesn't mean it's helpful." He told them to only teach things that "build testimonies", and ignore the true facts.
Mormons are forbidden to read anything published outside of the Cult that is critical of Mormonism. They have been commanded by their Prophets not to criticize their dear Leaders, "even when the criticism is true." They are also commanded to not talk to "apostates".
Mormons have a saying, "milk before meat". In other words, don't tell people investigating the Church about the REAL doctrines and history of the Mormon Cult, because you'll scare them away. Leave out the difficult to digest parts (meat), and just give them easy to digest Milk instead.
This is related to the other Mormon saying, "lying for the Lord". Mormons believe that it is GOOD to lie in defense of Mormonism.
And al the while, they repeat endlessly amongst themselves, "this is the ONLY TRUE CHURCH on the face of the earth." Good luck getting a Mormon to admit to ANY of this.