Guns online: No permit needed

There are no firm stats on the number of guns sold annually through sites such as Florida Gun Trader, because no registration is required and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives doesn't track them. Some critics suggest that tighter reins be kept on the trade of such high-powered arms. Miami Mayor Tomás Regalado, for one, last month signed on to a national campaign advocating stricter background checks on gun sales.

But David Bradford, the site's Austin, Texas-based owner, says Florida Gun Trader and similar sites are part of a long tradition of advertising for firearms. The site, which launched in 2007, has 33,000 visitors a month and has seen membership grow 13 percent monthly this year.

"Firearms have been a part of classified ads since the first ones were printed back in 15th-century England," Bradford says via email.

Click for a cheap assault rifle.
Click for a cheap assault rifle.

As for Florida Gun Trader users, they look out for themselves. Like most sellers on the site, McGuire says he requires buyers to fill out a "bill of sale" and to have a Florida driver's license. Many advertisers also ask to see a valid concealed weapons permit.

"Everyone is straight-up on there," he says. "There's a few conspiracy nuts who think the government is tracking us through the site, and a few scammers too, but it's mostly just guys who love guns."

Guys such as Eduardo, back in the parking lot. He works for the City of Miami Beach ("So obviously I can't be out here doing anything that's not legal," he says.) He grew up in a military family in Santo Domingo, he says, and spent some time in the Dominican army before coming to Miami. Guns are a way of life for him. "Just think of what I can get when I sell this one," he says excitedly, folding the cardboard box flaps over the M16 in his car's trunk. "There's some incredible guns out there that I've never even tried."

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Vladimir Chertok
Vladimir Chertok

by law everyone must be armed and allowed to carry concealed this will totally eliminate all crimes no body will rob anybody if they know everybody is packing heat.

Guest
Guest

Reporters and journalist, need many thanks for ruining people lives and business with false or add information or sometimes not putting the proper information to manipulate people.

scum

dave
dave

Bunch of shit mongers sideways reporting. You could call a can of wasp killer an "assault rifle". It shoots twenty feet and unleashes more destru tion than mace in the eyes. Get factual on these things. You need to follow laws with selling. Most people on these websites ask for cwp amd proof of identity. If we are recognized by the goveenment as law obiding citizens that can handle a concealed weapon, what difference is it if it is purchased new from a store or another responsible gun owner? Leta get real, why did you make his name "eduardo" and dress him in deaigner clothes? Could you possibly be any more stereotypical? And for the love of god people, it was a .22 he was buying. Not a fully automatic m16. And surely you lnow that the ar does not stand cor assault rifle.... the armed forces wouldnt touch an ar ( which stands fpr armalite, the originator) they use m series weapons. M.... for military. Whi h are capable of full auto. Thanks for the extremely one sided view though. It was entertaining to see how uneducated you truly are.

matt gordon
matt gordon

When marshal law is enacted and people are shipped off to the FEMA camps, the National Guard will roll tanks and armored personnel carriers through town to squelch uprisings. But by all means grab those laser-sighted AR16s and let us know how that works out for ya.

matt gordon
matt gordon

If and when the fluoridated water fog clears from our minds long enough for people to realize how thoroughly and vigorously the TeaBaggers and repubs have analized all the residents of Florida, the carpetbagging unindicted sociopathic governor and his gang of pirates pillaging the state might regret how easy they made it to collect a cache of weapons. When tired, hungry and desperate enough, the sheeple might start seeking those "2nd Amendment remedies."

Maniac
Maniac

Does no one employ fact checkers any more??!?!?!! It is a shame what passes for journalism these days....

THINK ABOUT IT
THINK ABOUT IT

I BELIEVE IN THE RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS, BUT THE RIGHT TO BUY ARMS SHOULD BE REGULATED THEN AFTERWARDS MEET AT HIGH NOON!!!!!!!! AND HAVE A DRAW OUT hAHAHA

Ryan
Ryan

Drop the scare tactics... It's a 22, not the real thing. You should know what you're talking about before you call something an "assault rifle."

Jpowell62959
Jpowell62959

Everyone wants to be Rambo or Dirty Harry. Shit will hit the fan because of states that let's it's citizens wear holsters and six-shooters. People will be called out to meet at high noon for gunfights. Better draw pard or I'll fill ya with lead. Good times for all.

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Danny
Danny

LMAO @ ".22 assault rifle" and "ammo clips". These are the same types of people that think we should ban the "shoulder thing that goes up".You don't need a "permit to buy a gun from a FFL store in Florida or most states. The 4473 form is not a "permit", it just established that you are a non-felon citizen with a clean record. You don't need a "permit" to exercise a constitutional right as you are a citizen, not a subject.

2nd Amendment American
2nd Amendment American

You want to know what goes into obtaining a concealed weapons permit? Go ahead. My guess is you'll find the fingerprinting and pre-qualifications will change your current mindset! So the gun laws in Illinois, D.C., Maryland, New York, and Kalifornia(sic) are effective?It seems like Florida, Texas, and other states understand: "the right [of Americans] to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." You don't like guns, don't buy one...perhaps our market economy will bow down to those who vote with their pocketbook...it always has.

Oh Please
Oh Please

AA's are legal just got to pay for another stamp. and if anybody in Afghanistan was using 22.....lmaorotffsmh..and to f.b. I think you need to do some research, just as the writer of this article, and it wouldn't hurt for you to get some counseling..I am a female and I love my guns, never without one. although I do have to admit, the AA12 is more weapon than I need, a plain old 12 gauge pump riot with slugs will do more damage at close range than any of the higher velocity weapons, and they ARE used in Afghanistan, not 22.. actually NATO and the UN wanted the USA to destroy all the 223,308, and 7.62 weapons and arm our troops with 22s........lmao Boxer tried to get barrel shrouds banned, and she didn't even know what a barrel shroud was..lmao... ooooo a barrel shroud makes a gun soooo baaadddd.........lmao at idiots who are uninformed know -it -alls... I call this article and the gun banning freaks= Male Enhanced Bovine Manure..

Sig Krist
Sig Krist

To Luciferxf, I hope you do great in life as well as your family, as for f b, I hope you run your mouth until the men and women of this fine country hear you, that day will be legendary in your book, because you will learn to respect our flag and our military for once in your life you commie traitor

Will Phillips
Will Phillips

I stumbled onto the link from some random web surfing and, while I wasn't surprised surprised at the bias of the article, I was caught off guard at the shear amount of misinformation in it.

I had thought about replying to that until I saw the comments. Seems the internet brings out partisans and trolls from both sides of the debate, making neither look particularly appealing. Not worth my time to wade into that morass.

Fortunately, the Supreme Court has repeatedly reaffirmed my right per the second amendment to keep and bear arms, even if it's a dinky .22LR dressed up as a big, scary "black assault rifle." I'll leave it at that.

Dsfdsf
Dsfdsf

"Inside is a matte black assault rifle — a brand-new Colt M16 .22LR. Three ammo clips are scattered around a milk crate full of empty oil cans and a jumbo bottle of Hawaiian Punch."

"Buy a gun from the shop, and you're subject to a background check; buy it from a dude you met that morning on the Internet, and there's no red tape. Six hundred dollars later, you could walk away from Eduardo's car with the kind of high-powered weapon used by Marines in Afghanistan."

Nice writing skills you liberal faggot. Why the fuck would they use a 22lr rifle in Afganistan. Liberal faggot, where did u learn to write at cause you suck major cock.

Joe
Joe

This is a very poorly researched article.

Dsfdsf
Dsfdsf

Suck a dick liberal faggot

David Needham
David Needham

Yeah, the Marines are totally using .22lr semi auto assault rifles in Afghanistan...

f b
f b

but seriously... you morons cant handle a simple discussion board. What makes you think you are responsible enough to handle an assault weapon... i think that's check mate and match. go play call of duty or something and let go of the red bull makes you way too intense

f b
f b

Jesus is already in My heart.. not many Jesus disciples advocating for the NRA

mattadika
mattadika

there giving away a sringfield XDS

Kuei
Kuei

Right! No such thing as a .22 caliber "assault rifle". Might as well call it a rapid fire BB gun. This is just a scare tactic to enrage ignorant americans.

Mateusz82
Mateusz82

Regardless of the stance on the Second Amendment, when someone just plain does not do the research, it hurts the credibility of the article. Using terms like "clips" to mean "magazines" or "assault rifle" to mean "rifle" shows a lack of understanding of the subject. Same with picturing a shotgun and calling it an assault rifle (near the top of the article).

Kuei
Kuei

Illinois gun laws are proof in themselves that gun laws do nothing to prevent crime. Chicago has a gun restriction, and yet, kids are getting blown away on the street every week. The only thing these laws do is prevent law abiding citizens from protecting themselves.

f b
f b

Listen sweetie, I am a paramedic... apparently you dont deal with human remains much. Seems to me like you are the misinformed one. You want to protect your right no matter, Albeit a losing battle. There is no purpose to have such weapons no purpose at all. Yeah I might have the right to have anthrax if im such a microbiology fan, but really? whats the purpose? am i the CDC? chances are my right to have that anthrax is going to threaten the right of others to live in a safe neighborhood. Did you read what you typed? It has no essence, no moral or ethical significance. Like you, it is useless and a detriment to society and if you werent as insignificant and useless as you are, history would eventually admonish you and the parade of morons that give rational americans a bad name. at least I respect those who come at me with a historical argument. You have nothing.

f b
f b

Another thing Sig..The men and women of this country are not as violent as you might think. Believe it or not. Not everybody sends threats to people they disagree with. The messed-up part about this is that the people who are most unstable and prone to violence and send typical threats are the guys and gals with the big guns. Look you are like the batshit insane wing of the republican party.. the more you talk the more you make rational moderates look bad in comparison. So keep talking... You already have your base, try to convince the people on the fence with that strategy, see how well thats gonna work out for ya

f b
f b

Hey you are a great American like McCarthy. Yeah, wish well to the guy (lucifer) who wished me harm for pointing a few things out... you are another delightful human being. again, to you and to yours..go fuck yourself with a ten foot pole 8)

f b
f b

I wonder if you agree with all their constitutional rulings or just that one.

dhgaehtaeht
dhgaehtaeht

btw, you are the type of person who cannot handle the board, everyone here was having a good time until your anti everything speech, go outside and play kid, some day someone will straighten you out and you will learn the value of being American and human

Coach Purse
Coach Purse

I bet you keep every girl you meet in a floor board, don't you f b?

dhgaehtaeht
dhgaehtaeht

He must be, all of you religion based minds are the same, bash bash hate hate is all you pray, thank goodness someone like you only has one outlet, the internet, and while you E Thug the board up maybe you should play call of duty and relieve some of that anger you have, so much hate so much anger can only lead to the dark side

I hate libersals
I hate libersals

You sir, are an idiot. How can you possibly compare anthrax to a firearm? Anthrax can, and will, pose a significant threat to the surrounding population because it has the ability to spread and kill of its own volition. However, a firearm must be operated by an individual with the intent to do something illegal in order for that firearm to take part. Do you anti-gun simpletons really expect violence to stop because firearms are gone? Did you all forget how bloody war was when everyone had a sword? Just because the current tool that most of the unsavory characters out there use to commit crimes is a firearm doesn't mean we should blame the firearm. If we take them all away I bet you see a rapid rise is clubbings and stabbings...but why bother addressing the fact that the unscrupulous activity is a result of the perpetrator's own action when we could just blame the tool that he used. How can I be charged with a DUI?!?! The car let me drive!!! Let's all ban cars!!! You and your paramedic status mean nothing. I see human remains! Waaaa! Get a different job. What makes you think that you have anything intelligent to add to this conversation because you received 3 weeks of first aid and CPR training. Thanks for being a glorified bus driver. Also, keep your opinions to yourself unless it relates to my improper use of the Heimlich maneuver.

f b
f b

well dude, you attacked the writer that makes you fair game... You know it's like, if your mom is in the corner of 8 street and 27 ave at 3 am i can call her a whore...By the way im treating "you" as a collective..you may or may have not criticized the writer.... but you definitely thought about it..otherwise you wouldnt be commenting. And everything I say to you I direct to the other dudes that blow the NRA board members

f b
f b

i dont know, what does your mom say? I was way too drunk, i cant remember. Tell her sorry that i had to hide her there..but you know, she is not a butterface she is a buttereverything.. I have a rep to maintain. I think i left airholes...dont worry

f b
f b

I am a grown ass man, I dont play videogames anymore...I do own stocks of companies that manufacture video games... so maybe im not 100 percent in the clear. maybe im profiting from the proliferation of the gun culture.... interesting moral dilemma you have raised.

f b
f b

you people actually think I am a "bible nutjob"? I mean, The amount of profanity I have used should be a clear enough sign to you morons that i am not religious. But then again, I'm talking to the people that think being American is all about carrying massive guns. And I love the gay innuendos or the "he cant satisfy his wife" because there is nothing gayer than a bunch of guys getting together in a big sausage fest every weekend at the shooting range playing with Phallic objects that go boom. Until you losers see the results of what an actual assault rifle does, shut the fuck up. You people suck so much at life (i wonder what kind of careers you imbeciles have) that you dont know what i am or what i do or have the slightest clue of why i am an advocate for the assault weapon ban. You are so utterly hopeless that after 7 posts you cant tell. I mean the guy who called me a religious fanatic must be the most retarded person in this particular thread. If the FBI would use you as a profiler you wouldnt catch a serial killer if he was fucking your mom in front of you doggy style at knife point .

To The guy that says I am an angry person, guess what dumb dumb? all advocates against serious issues are angry. I have bagged bodies of human beings with broom & scoop-like devices. I have been to 7 funerals all law enforcement officers ..all close casket funerals. While you morons play your little fantasies (by the way why not join or if you did join, sign up for another tour if you are so hungry for more hamburger meat? just a suggestion)I serve my community. I seen the worse of the worse. I seen a victim of a drive-by shooting, a 7 year old head blown up skull and all with his brains splattered on his 10 year old sisters flowery dress. I seen it all. I seen the worse of Afghanistan in the streets of Miami. Granted, also being present at hundreds of car accidents has added to my collective life experiences...which reminds me. Drive the speed limit and buckle up. Bodies ejected from vehicles are almost as bad to deal with as gun shot victims.

keikoasmom
keikoasmom

@I hate libersals  well-said, and I am somewhat liberal and somewhat conservative. But  f b makes no sense, and although most paramedics are pretty good, they aren't RNS or MDs. 

Glorified bus driver is a low blow, but the subject wasn't him. It is firearms, and the errors in this article. Also, that if you have a gun, you are likely to be able to stop an armed perpetrator. Good for you, f b, you haven't had a home-invasion or been threatened by someone violent! For the rest of us, who have had it happen or know it can, and are willing to take responsibility for firearm training  keep our guns out of the hands of children and loonies, we don't really need to argue. The Second Amendment won't be deleted or compromised.

f b
f b

Considering I'm just sodomizing all of you, I am having a blast.but keeping wishing that.

You are giving me publicity so you might have some sort of sick attraction towards me.

Getting an SN based on me, not the best move... I feel like I have groupies now...

See ya tomorrow little girl...

F B IS A PUNK
F B IS A PUNK

sounds like your a fucking baby, grow some balls and get off the internet, never mind me but you started a mess of shit on here, no one cares about you or your opinions, I laugh at ever post you made, must be a joke, that other fellow had me cracking up, I bet you are sitting there about to throw your computer out of the window in how angry you are.

Your
Your

did you really use dumb dumb, wow you really must have autism

f b
f b

Leonard, first of all, thank you for the considerate reply. And I can appreciate the point of view of somebody who has been into combat. Unlike the other ones here who have no idea of the horrors involved. you do have an understanding of the carnage involved. I have never flown to fight in a foreign land, but I have been shot at 4 times for doing my job in 3 different American cities. I have a special affinity for police officers that have protected me and my brothers all those times. Law enforcement officers are going to urban war zones with no vehicle armor and no body armor much less high caliber high volume fully automatic weapons. Now to the point of who is at fault? Honestly? It doesn't really matter in the end. The laws are such that only the one who pulls the trigger pays the price (most of the time). It is really unfair when you think about it. As weapons of wars, they are fine, in fact like you said, it's not all about accuracy when you are on a firefight in the middle of the night with smoke and other things affecting your line of sight, the more bullets the best.

leonard
leonard

Every life taken is a loss for humanity. That being said, I will let you know that I am a Life Member NRA supporter. I was in the army from 1965 to 1968. I went to Viet Nam. I saw scores of dead. No, it isn't very pretty, but we are not talking about how good things are in the garden.

There is a major difference between a semi-auto loading rifle (say, an AR-15. It is dressed up as an M16 assault rifle). Hunting weapons are in larger calibres and are meant to take down large animals. They, like the AR style rifles, fire semi-auto. The military use is mostly fully automatic. They don't teach much about accuracy as they do create fire power with just a chance of hitting something. Firing in the semi auto mode, one will take the time to deliver a shot on target. To avoid any confusion, it is not the gun dealers who are responsible for our local carnage. It is criminals who steal guns from other people.

With 200 million Americans, proudly owning guns, we can defend ourselves. I use all of my military looking weapons, rifle or pistol, at the range. My wife and a few other friends of ours had me teach them to shoot. We started by studying safe handling and storage. We shot till I knew these women would refuse to lose. Then they calmed to the point that I could show them how gun maintenance was done. These people had a blast. And, they will live a safer life.

It is better to have a gun and not need it, than to need it and not have it.

Anything from a fist or rock on up, people have always looked for a better weapon. To others who think they know guns, the name AR stands not for "assault rife." It was the name of the company Eugene Stoner had the ARmalite Company build his earlier models. That is the story folks.

f b
f b

I'm glad you find the deaths of Law enforcement officers funny... Makes you feel good inside huh? I think i just owned you dude.. You just have one liners... you have nothing. Go to the gun range while i fuck your wife 8)

dhgaehtaeht
dhgaehtaeht

I can not believe you wrote all that lol, this shit is so funny

 
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