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Ken Lappo 04/27/2012 3:51:00 PM
This deal stinks on a number of fronts, but but backroom deal making was prevalent in many phases of the construction. A company called B-R Carts solicitied bid information from insiders even though they maintained it was a "sealed bid" project. What a joke. B-R Carts did not win the job for vending carts (even with inside information" but was then "gifted" the merchandising carts and kiosk in a non-competitive bid situation. I feel sorry for the people of Miami
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04/18/2012 9:21:00 PM
Bond holders will take a huge haircut on this turkey when the city defaults. Paid attendance was around 24,500 last night, with maybe 20k actually in seats. Loria will start dumping some of that $118 million payroll by mid season. He is raping Miami, just like he raped Montreal.
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03/08/2012 1:43:00 PM
you seem like the damn fool. I love the stadium too and cant wait to go to a game.
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Los3lastres 02/29/2012 9:46:00 PM
Come on lets be honest is there an honest politision, i have never seen one yet. The stadium will help the economy by hiring people to work during the events. That it makes the skyline look bad, please... I personaly hate seing all the building going on everywhere in south Florida, but if there is grass someone wants to build something there. The stadium is great, and i think it will help the communitee in the futre
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12/28/2011 9:09:00 AM
Prove it.
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12/28/2011 9:05:00 AM
I live in the city and have no problem with it. How do you like them apples?
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NYYPhil777 12/20/2011 7:20:00 AM
Look, all you people are being true-blooded haters. The stadium is absolutely beautiful, and fans WILL flock to see the Marlins. (I'm a Yankee fan living in St. Louis, fans of the Yankees, Cardinals, Cubs, Red Sox and such teams are generally REALLY loyal!) You just get brain-washed by the media into what you should think. Life is too short to think negative (studies show people who are negative don't live as long as positive thinking people, how do you like that?), it's a beautiful world out there. If you don't like where you live, then move somewhere else.
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11/27/2011 6:19:00 AM
So Carlos, do you think that it's great to throw away $2.4 Billion on a stadium???
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11/27/2011 6:17:00 AM
R Lata, look at the freaking number. $2.4 Billion, are you a sh**-eater or what?
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Frenzi76 11/14/2011 4:25:00 AM
Its so easy for someone who doesn't live in the city to dismiss this article and call whoever is against the stadium a crybaby. If you actually lived there and had to pay taxes on a ugly stadium for a team nobody supports you'd think the same way to damn fool.
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11/13/2011 4:28:00 AM
Best article I've read in ages
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opinionator 09/15/2011 12:12:00 AM
As a Montréal Expos fan, who saw the greasy, greedy Loria and his stumpy stepson sidekick Sampson go from a tiny percentage to 92% ownership through their larceny, destroy the franchise then literally steal its assets to take to Florida with the underhanded help of MLB, I pity the taxpayers of Dade and Miami. Not that anybody would listen to me, or even New Times and other experts, probably thinking a swindle like this could never go through. "Why, our elected officials would stop it, right?" Dead wrong.
Well, this superb article shows you nothing-but-the-truth, and those two slimeballs are getting away with multi-millions of dollars of the people's money. And the people will get nothing, NOTHING, in return. Taxpayers won't come close to covering the debt with the tiny stadium rent payments.
Hell is not hot enough for Loria and Mini-Me Sampson and everyone they got paid off to waste public money on a terrible stadium in an awful location for a lousy team that no one will go to see. The money would have been put to better use burned in a power plant to provide air conditioning to one home for fifteen minutes than to see it go to the Greedies, Loria and shorty Sampson. But they have zero morals or ethics to care, and are richer than ever thanks to the public not understanding or paying attention to the scam, and politicians happy to keep it that way.
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Bob 09/14/2011 8:43:00 PM
Great...so you'll be at one game.....when can they expect u to come back???
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Bob 09/14/2011 8:41:00 PM
The people of Miami are out $2.4 billion....but....eh....it looks nice! Putz.....
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Puzzled 09/07/2011 11:15:00 PM
I do not have all the facts and figures regarding the new ballpark, but I have common sense. The Marlins have one of the worst attendance figures in the MLB and it does not take an econ major to figure out a simple supply and demand curve. The stadium seats 33k and the MArlins attract 15k (so they say), and a new stadium is going to change things? Not a chance! The fact that public dollars are contributing to this stadium is outrageous. Please ask the small business owners that need space and capital equipment if they receive any money from the government. Baseball is a business and should be treated that way. If I manufacture a product, I need space to do that, and I will pay for it, why is it any different?
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truth hurts 09/06/2011 4:43:00 PM
so you don't like to hear the truth? Us taxpayers have to live with this sh**. We were lied to COUNTLESS times. They forced this upon us. Ever been to a game? you could sit and count the fans. Horrible. Waste of money. And destruction of a landmark. Good luck cleaning up the area and bringing in all these new fans. Ehh cubsfan. you're a joke
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07/18/2011 7:11:00 PM
yeah tourism! ha! funny! The only time I went to a city just to see a baseball game was to watch the World Series. A once in a lifetime Mets V Yankees series. And im still regretting it. The stadium is not gonna bring any tourism. I tell you what will bring tourism.. clean the effing streets and reduce crime. South beach gets worse and worse every year.
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07/18/2011 7:07:00 PM
yeah well Miami is one of the poorest metropolis out there.. and with the dolphins & canes being the historic franchises, and the Heat being the new Fad, It only leaves the fish fighting for scraps..pardon the pun. The fish are relatively new. I'm only 30 and i can easily remember the days before we had a baseball team. The stadium was needed, but it was built on lies and its only gonna be a welfare for the rich & famous. Those who can afford the luxury boxes are gonna love the new stadium while the city goes.... wow, i cant believe i got drunk and spent this much money. If we average about 18K fans a game i will be surprised
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Skipdy 07/14/2011 9:24:00 PM
This guy is an idiot and clearly knows nothing about baseball. He said that a new ballpark won't attract more fans because the Nationals had low attendance in '06, the Reds drew a low attendance in '09, and the Pirates had low attendance in '10. Lets look at the records of the teams at each of those times; '06 Nationals: 71-91. '09 Reds: 78-84, after going 74-88, 72-90, 80-82, 73-89, 76-86, and 63-99 in all their previous years at Great American Ball Park. '10 Pirates: 57-105, after going 62-99, 67-85, 68-94, 67-95, 67-95, 72-89, 75-87, 72-89, and 62-100 in all of their years at PNC Park. The low attendance is not because fans are not attracted to the stadium, but because their team is struggling. The '10 Reds, who went 91-71, drew almost double the attendance of '09. Now, halfway through the '11 season, they already have had more attendance than all of '09. The '11 Pirates, who are 47-43 thus far, are selling out. Oh, and did he also forget to mention that the Phillies have the highest attendance thus far in their six year old ballpark? Or the Giants, Twins, Cardinals, Brewers, Yankees, Mets, and Tigers all have parks built 2000 or later, and all are in the top 12 in attendance? May I remind you that the Twins ballpark, Target Field, opened in 2010, and they have the 4th best attendance, and they have been in last place most of the year?
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07/14/2011 2:06:00 PM
You are a moron.
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07/14/2011 2:00:00 PM
Are you a tourist? No? Won't cost you a thing.
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cubsfan 07/12/2011 7:29:00 PM
This article is filled with twisted truths and opinions masquerading as fact in the eyes of the writer. All you need to know is that without a new stadium, the Marlins would have moved out of the Miami area - and that would not be a good thing. Period. The disgraceful writing begins in the very first paragraph, saying this "ugly silver blah blah blah rises above the skyline"....well, it doesn't rise above any "skyline" because it's a STADIUM. Additionally, it is a truly beautiful ballpark, as many new ones are. This ballpark is in fact, more beautiful than the new Mets park, which cost hundreds of millions more.
As far as the quote from the random woman - literally random - she is truly wrong. A new stadium that is indoors in the Miami climate will guarantee a much greater attendance for decades. Additionally, while adults may be transported from other cities, there are plenty of young Miami fans who will remain that way with a stadium and team to go see - which there wouldn't be if they were supposed to continue playing in the old football stadium
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Hoju 06/20/2011 8:13:00 AM
I think they should play the Hurricane football games there too. Then it would be ok with me.
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Markayg5159 05/30/2011 2:38:00 PM
Go marlins!!! Can't wait for thee ballpark!!
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05/29/2011 1:23:00 AM
omg you really believe that in Miami we only use tax $$$$ for what they are allocated for? what a joke, and as far as a better stadium improving tourism, I would not bet on it. I hope you don't spend all your $$ on Marlins tix and save some for when your 1 yr old is ready for college, because with our tax $$$ being used for ridiculous things like this stadium, while we are cutting from education and other more important places, your kid will not be able to get financial aid.
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Marlins4lif 05/28/2011 4:32:00 AM
Know before u post!! The money being used can NOT be used formthe stuff u say. It's tourist money and only can be used for tourist improvement like better beaches better parks better stadiums. They fail to even bring that up in the article.
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Marlins4lif 05/28/2011 4:20:00 AM
Nope it won't cost u a thing.. Unless ur tourist. Know be for u post!!
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Marlins4lif 05/28/2011 4:17:00 AM
U said we alot in this article. U do understand that the money being used is tourist tax money that can only be used for something like this. Is it the best deal? No but would u rather have the team move? I will be there opening day 2012 with my 1 year old! While u sit here and complain about something that gives u a story to write.
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Mary 05/26/2011 3:49:00 PM
The contract has to be negotiated. We have been duped again.
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Vbcrew82 05/23/2011 2:49:00 PM
Go marlins!!!! Unfortunately...your season tix will go straight into Loria's pocket and if we ever win another world series he will sell off our players to buy another Hampton home...
The stadium will be built but we shouldn't have to pay for it when the marlins are making sooooo much money...
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Tschiggsters 05/20/2011 1:47:00 AM
Yes, half of these are valid reasons of how the Marlins are liars, but I can say 1 thing and I for one am actually buying season tickets to the first year (2012). Mostly because i've been a fan of the marlins for a decade and I belive it will help out Little Havana, just like the Orange Bowl brought many fans from near and far, however I do not agree with the handling of getting the deal done or the idiot mayor that was ousted. Basically: Go Marlins! I've always wanted a closer stadium than having to drive all the way to Miami Gardens! Carlos Alvarez is an idiot and so is David Samson and Jeffrey Loria, for taking taxpayer money and putting it in their pockets.
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DeepThroat 05/18/2011 3:46:00 AM
Build a winning tradition? Seems like you're unaware that this far too evident of the back-door, dealing and corruption that's been the norm in Miami since it's inception. The copious amounts NOT pennies of taxes residents have to fork over for the next forty years IS NOT WORTH IT considering that your beloved fish will pocket all profits and pay no land taxes and none it going back to the community. You're a moron if you believe this money came entirely form tourist taxes: this came off the blood of every single resident who paid property taxes in Dade county, every laid-off employee, and every public safety projects whose monies were diverted for this stadium. So while the water mains keep breaking, the sewer pump stations overflow, anhydrous chlorine railcars ride our rails and the roads have sinkholes because there all funds are here (and they are) ask your positive buddy Loria to save you
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Guest 05/17/2011 8:05:00 PM
$2.4 billion that will be spent on the stadium divided by the counties 2.4 million residents = $1,000 per resident. FUCK THE FISH!!!
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05/16/2011 2:43:00 PM
"oh deal with it"? I don't even like baseball and yet this stupid stadium will ultimately cost my family and every other family in Miami-Dade a whopping FOUR THOUSAND DOLLARS. You're right, life is short.. too short for us to just sit back and let our nasty politicians take advantage of us for their own personal gain. The Marlins should have paid for this out of their own pocket and should be forced to fork over a bigger chunk of the pie now that it's been revealed that they lied about their grim financial status and now that the project is coming in over budget! When all is said and done this stupid stadium has a $2.4 Billion dollar price tag and that, quite frankly, pisses me off.
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05/11/2011 7:56:00 PM
Oh deal with it... The park is being made, and I for one am happy they finally got that issue out of the way, and now we could see our team simply play ball, and grow with the community, and build a winning tradition here.
Sometimes the ends justifies the means, and in this case yes it might be a bad deal now for the taxpayers because we're going to have to fork over a few pennies more a year in taxes or whatever the deal is but I as a fan think it's worth it, and I am going to enjoy every minute of it.
Your life is short so enjoy it people, and stop being so god damn negative... GO FISH!
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Joeblow 05/10/2011 3:24:00 AM
time to shoot someone
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Cdp103 05/09/2011 11:20:00 PM
Awesome article, and great news-gathering.
It is more than obvious that people here in Miami-Dade County have been ripped off by Loria, his midget son-in-law David Samson; and, their crooked politician cronies. I hope the lawsuit pending succeeds so justice prevails!
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let the truth be heard! 05/09/2011 11:17:00 PM
Awesome article. It is more than obvious that people in Miami-Dade County have been fleeced to the max by Loria and his midget son-in-law Samson.
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Bocanegrarafael 05/09/2011 9:59:00 PM
Anyone with the ability to read knows the lyes concocted by the friends of Loria, thats how this group should be called, but what I want to know is does the district attorney of this county see how this criminal element stole from the citizens of this county or her being so close to crime (her Sons being that crime wave) just made her to turn a blind eye to what has been going on under her nose, if Jefrrey lorias paying the bills of the attorneys handling Carlos alvarez case is not a case of conflict of interest; I just don't know maybe the only way we can tell crime in this county is if a blackman is standing in a corner making a few bucks while at city hall millions dissapear and she does not even blink an eye or maybe she did.
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guest 05/09/2011 6:07:00 PM
stopping construction on a stadium thats more than halfway done is a bigger waste of money than anything
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05/09/2011 2:45:00 PM
How about that it wasn't paid with taxpayers' funds but with tourist tax dollars?
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Slapammur 05/09/2011 2:17:00 PM
Someone needs to go to prison for this. Seriously, why isn't someone being prosecuted? I guess the people in office are still corrupt. Just terrible.
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Bop7176 05/09/2011 12:56:00 PM
These are bums for fans, they will go and waste there hard earne dmoney on garbage
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Bop7176 05/09/2011 12:54:00 PM
It is a shame that our money is being wasted to fund a rich mans hobby when he has millions of dollars in painting around the world, as for Samson he is a a bottom feeder he wants to all thes things off the tax payers backs, let the Marlins go because they will only still draw around 10.000 people to the games once everybody gets a taste of the new stadium.if the marlins would leave let them take the Dolphins with them.
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Jrplana 05/09/2011 10:40:00 AM
This should be on the ballot for a vote. Stop the construction. Fine the ball team owners $150-Million and take their franchise license. That will be justice in a box. In fact, right after Miami would own the team, rather than some owner.
The next professional team, owner get no subsidies, land or tax concessions or any other type of give a way, make it law. Its simple, just put it on a ballot. This way we stop getting ripped off. Once you make these franchise-owners build their own stadium without tax payers money and other subsidies, then they will have to perform. Sunshine laws, mean full transparency,and accountability, why are these guys not in jail? See thats the problem in Dade and the State of Florida, we have to stop crime at the Top. Screw the Leagues secrecy laws. Have the legislators pass a law that says; Screw your secrecy law-let see your books. Call it amendment "SYS" What about the IRS and 10K filings and or just corporate filings. One company no subsidiaries or get your booty out of town, and do not let the door hit you in booty. Will someone wake upthe voters!
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Mad As Hell 05/09/2011 3:40:00 AM
Just don't go to any games and see what happens to these Azzholes pockets. I dare real citizens to stand up and not support these thieves.
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miamibroke911 05/09/2011 3:10:00 AM
yet the police and fire took pay cuts.
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Carlos 05/08/2011 9:28:00 PM
Maritza, any major city in this country is run by assholes who are mostly corrupt crooks. Scam artists are everywhere even in smalltown USA. The west has earthquakes, the midwest has tornados,the nort has the snow. What do they all have in common? Crooked politicians and the scam artists as well.
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05/08/2011 2:41:00 PM
You are not for real?? How much did you invest in this deal and more important, how much will you/did you get out of it??
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Carlos 05/08/2011 2:09:00 PM
This article just sounds angry. Reality is that is was probably the not best deal for Miami-Dade, but a nice baseball staduim near d,owntown is the right thing for a well recognized city. It will bring jobs during construction and during games and concerts and that is what Miami-Dade needs. Who cares you is making what? The writer just sounds bitter that he isn't getting a cut of the pie. Maybe he should start his own construction company and bid for a contract and forget writting if he wants to make more $.
Here is six truths on why its a good idea: 1) Current stadium is a dump. 2) More jobs in Miami-Dade. 3) Business travellers and turists get to catch a game without drivings an hour away from their hotels. 4) People can catch a game after work during the week a lot easier. 5) Easy to go to Brickell, Gables or Beach after the game during the weekends for drinks afterwards. 6) At least we can enjoy what we are paying for instead of all the other bad government deals that we have nothing to show for it.
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Manuel 05/08/2011 1:02:00 PM
What a racket, these multi-multi millionaires are getting corporate welfare, they play the "we will leave the city card", -All cities should unite and provide them the the list of local movers.
Pay you own way!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Rational thinker 05/08/2011 7:14:00 AM
I wish they had posted a picture of this douche bag Loria so if I see him in public here in Miami we can egg his ass! rich bastard
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mike 05/07/2011 11:19:00 PM
This was very one sided and didn't even mention that of the $154 Million in profit the Marlins made from 2002 till present they spent ALL of it on the stadium. This article made it seem like Miami was up for all the $515 million. THEY ARE NOT! while the Marlins did turn a profit they ended up sinking all that profit into this new stadium. Not to mention the city of Miami gets all the revenue from any non-baseball events that are held there. The building is going to more than pay for itself within a few years. Worrying and complaining about this is just ridiculous.
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Chris 05/07/2011 8:07:00 PM
Very well put. Look at the facts folks. We are getting the royal s%$^ on this one. I am not a baseball fan, nor am I football fan, especially since the Marlins are completely dishonest and NFL players want a collective bargaining agreement (big babies with too much time and too much money). That said, I still don't think it's fair that all of us are footing the bill for this joke of a building. People follow the Marlins only when they're winning. Let's change the name of the stadium to "Fairweather Field". Maybe somebody will get the message.
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Cody 05/07/2011 7:27:00 PM
I'm all for this stadium, though not necessarily for HOW we got to it. I may have to side somewhat with Sampson on his statement about reported profits. I haven't seen the numbers, but considering I've been following the Marlins since I moved here in '95, I find it very hard to believe they made much profit, considering all they get from their home games is ticket sales, with so few people going.
However, I find it hard to believe much of what this guy is saying considering right of the bat he says something that's way off...
"Hanley and Stanton pounding the leather."
Hanley is batting .202... that's FAR from "pounding the leather." If you're gonna write an article about something, at least make it look like you know what you're talking about.
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what a joke 05/07/2011 6:54:00 PM
After all is said and done, the Dade county taxpayers will have paid or continue to pay this debt off. And as far as the City of Miami is concerned, where do you think the money will come from when it is discovered that no one is attending the games and they have to make their money somehow? That's right, Police and Fire salaries and pensions. Dade county F'ing sucks!!!
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formiamiforbaseball 05/07/2011 4:48:00 PM
History contradicts you. Even back in just the 1980's the cubs rarely drew fans-people do not know that, or conveniently forget that fact because history seems to be only 10 years long. The phenomenon of "cubs nation" is not that long. So, once again, it is all about the long term vision and the time it takes to develop the relationship. Looking at the cubs and the red sox, how much do they mean to their cities, how much are they a part of the fabric of the community?-So much more than just a sports team, a private business. Do the cub fans who fill the stadium even think about the cubs as being a private business-doubtful, the team is Chicago, the Red Sox are Boston-those cities are linked to their teams-as can ours-but it takes time, committment and vision-which is in short supply these days. That is why I say I commend those who sacrificed their political careers for this vision. It looks like shadiness took place or that some people looked away from the economics for the more elusive aspect of keeping a major league team in what should be considered a major league city.
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Timebandit27 05/07/2011 1:28:00 PM
Yeah, but look at how Wrigley Field sells out every game. Win or lose and even on weekdays, that stadium is sold out. Why? Those are true Cubs fans. Marlins only have fans when they're in the playoff's. That bandwagon has been collecting dust since 2003.
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Timebandit27 05/07/2011 1:23:00 PM
hey Albertosilvae, to make a comment like that only let's us know that you're one of the corrupt fools that backed this stadium. Good luck filling the seats you idiot.
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AlbertoAFA 05/07/2011 4:41:00 AM
I am a baseball fan, I belive baseball as well as any other sport is good for our youth. I am glad we finally are going to have a stadium in the city.
The next step will be to be able to buy a bottle of water and a hot dog for it's fair market value, I feel robbed everytime I take a buch of kids to watch a game.
As for the finances of the deal, the means do not justify the end, if there was fraud, all those involed present or past goverment employees or servants, contractor, the marlins owners and representatives should be held accountable.
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AlbertoAFA 05/07/2011 4:33:00 AM
My humble opinion. Those involved should be held legally accountable for their actions. We have a history of fraudulent dealing from government officials and from private citezens that only get a slap on the hand and are told not to do it again. I am sick and tired of this crap and make a call to hold people accountable by all means possible. I am sick and tired of government missuse of peoples money. We must let the existing and future public servants know they will be held accountable.
Amen.
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Albertosilvae 05/07/2011 2:16:00 AM
the marlins are a great team this stadium is a blessing....hop off their jock yahoo
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Go4burton 05/07/2011 2:02:00 AM
Miami is a world class city that demands a world class stadium for their professional baseball team, whom have won two World Series. Just ask the Cubbies how hard it is to win one World Series.
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Hansbos 05/06/2011 8:26:00 PM
Loria and Samson white board criminals , just asked the people of Montreal how the screwed them out of a team up there
But they fit right in the local criminals who suppossely work for the people of Miami Dade !! Sure Dream on there are all criminals .
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Carlos 05/06/2011 8:12:00 PM
Glane, obviously you have no fucking clue. The Marlins are playing great baseball and have a very good young team.
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Carlos 05/06/2011 8:09:00 PM
Nothing against gays but this rag is run by gays. Most hate all sports except cornholing.
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Carlos 05/06/2011 7:56:00 PM
Dodriscoll, fuck you!! Is that plain and clear english? My family FLEW here in 1962 bitch. What fucking country did your forefathers immigrate from? Or were they hatched?
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Carlos 05/06/2011 7:53:00 PM
Move asshole. There are 49 other states.
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Carlos 05/06/2011 7:49:00 PM
Thats exactly what this Mullet wrapper of a news rag does. The new stadium is awesome. I got a glimpse from the inside and the view is beautiful!!
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Dodriscoll 05/06/2011 7:03:00 PM
Pedro - you are a complete moron. Your mother should have drowned your dumb ass at birth. The stadium they are playing in was built by the late Joe Robbie for his team. Loria should have done the same thing. If you and the other 9 fans wanted a stadium you should have paid for it.
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Dodriscoll 05/06/2011 6:48:00 PM
Miami was here long before your criminal ass was loaded on a boat when uncle Fidel emptied his prison. You scum are nothing more than ignorant invaders and cowards. If you love your Cuba so much go on back there and change it.... Not likely huh? That yellow streak on you back is what helps us to identify you - that and your lousy grasp of the English language.
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05/06/2011 6:32:00 PM
Samson is right that a "contract is a contract" Fortunately, the law of contract is subject to the legal area of "false pretenses". The elements of false pretenses are: (1) a false representation (2) of a material past or existing fact (3) which the person making the representation knows is false (4) made for the purpose of causing (5) and which does cause (6) the victim to pass title (7) to his property.
To me it sounds like the Marlins made false representations about their finances and then used those false facts to convince the city to "pass title" to a new stadium. Am I missing something?
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05/06/2011 6:19:00 PM
I also love the new stadium, but I'm pretty sure, if I tried it, I'd love crack too!!
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05/06/2011 6:17:00 PM
What about the "Big Fat Lie" that the stadium will bring in tourists and we can use tourism funds to build it? This seems to be refuted by David Samson himself in his latest radio ad where is he says the stadium is built "by Miamians FOR Miamians"
Which is it Dave?
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Reluctant fan 05/06/2011 6:15:00 PM
With the unfolding enormity of this scam, why not just refer to the new stadium as "Fraud Field".
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rdavid 05/06/2011 5:19:00 PM
Couldn't agree with you more. I see the stadium from my office building and it looks lovely. I was originally opposed to it, but now that it's underway, I truly hope it is a roaring success.
I have never once come across a single positive story this so-called newspaper has ever written about Miami. It's an echo chamber for the unfortunately all-too-numerous Miami haters.
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Dodriscoll 05/06/2011 4:50:00 PM
You must be connected to the Marlins or one of the contractors...!! What you wrote is absolute BS. The taxpayers got ripped off big time. The crooked politicians who approved this deal were obviously paid off - do you think we are stupid...? The evidence actually shows that we are. The residents of Miami should file a class action law suit against Loria et al and at least get a portion of the revenue from the stadium and tax the land. Most south florida residents don't give a rats a$$ about the Marlins to begin with. This whole deal STINKS - just like your letter
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Courageous 1 05/06/2011 4:07:00 PM
Florida Marlins President David Sampson to taxpayers" Squeal Like A Pig"
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formiamiforbaseball 05/06/2011 3:36:00 PM
All black and white for the author with the nodding heads of the readers. Well, it is not all black and white lest we stop funding museums, roads, libraries etc. unless they benefit a majority of the population. Fact is, a major community revolves around many things and the benefit in many other ways besides pure dollars will be felt for years after Loria is gone and many of us are gone. No city wants to lose a team and most have funded new stadiums. Those that did not realize the relationship between the teams and their cities and lost teams, spent many times over to then bring in a new team. Even non fans revel in associating with their home town and while it may take years before we have the same "affair" as Chicago has with the cubs, boston with the red sox etc, it is a long term relationship to build and a long term vision. Something most politicians, and editorialists do not have, because they must write crictical columns for the now, the short term, the headline news crowd. I, for one, commend those who sacrificed their political careers for the long term. And Katy, well, she is all for public money for museums, that maybe attract even 1% of what a sports team attracts. But, I do support museums also-it is necessary. Bad Deal? Maybe not the best, but in the long term-it is good.
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Guest 05/06/2011 3:29:00 PM
I drive on 836 everyday to work and the stadium looks beautiful. It will be a big positive in that area of town for all tourists driving by to see. This is something for us to enjoy. Stop being such haters. New Times is always looking for a sensational story and you guys all eat it up like suckers.
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Redlandcountrynews 05/06/2011 3:07:00 PM
Hialeah Julio who supported this monster now wants to be mayor of Miami-Dade. Don't do it folks. He can't re-write history because the video showing his support is everywhere.
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Terry Gonzalez 05/06/2011 3:03:00 PM
This is a last Coliseum being built by a dying Roman empire led by madmen emperors and parasitic hucksters. The County's leaders have committed nothing short of a crime in saddling South Floridians with a multi-decade debt that will cost taxpayers across the board. This is ripe for a taxpayer backed lawsuit against the team owners and our County leaders who sold us out.
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Jsangulo 05/06/2011 1:48:00 PM
Good article. A pity it wasn't written a few months back. I hope the Sunshine Law prevails and the Marlins are force to return the money to the tax payers. t makes me sick to have all these stupid crooked politicians representing "us". I can't wait to see all the involved parties out.
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05/06/2011 11:25:00 AM
btw, i am cuban but some days i am ashamed to say it. (mostly because of people like yourself) Please use spell check and stop personally attacking people. In case you have not noticed, most people have a problem with CROOKS, regardless of their nationality or ethnicity. Oh and cubans DID NOT build Miami, they have just helped turn it into the sh_thole it is becoming.
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Ralph_de_la_portilla 05/06/2011 9:23:00 AM
Hey, Stephan...! You've certainly found yourself in quite a quandary living in Kendall (of all places), sitting around collecting disability on your gunshot wound, giving you nothing but time to bitch about Cubans... Dumb piece of shit...
At the very least, I hope it was a Cuban who shot you...
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ron 05/06/2011 2:06:00 AM
So why aren't we doing anything to stop this?? This is a serious finacial disaster!!! baaaabaaa we are powerless sheeps: no vote /say on whether we want that stupid stadium and surely no right to opt out of paying the taxes on that giant piece of shit.
Someone should seize the house in the hamptons and the houses of all the stupid politicians that created this chaos to pay maybe for one year of interest on that 2 billion dollar loan. baabaaa! freedom for miamiians....
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Carlos and Manny stole 05/06/2011 1:33:00 AM
Carlos Alvarez and Manny Diaz were either idiots or they were being bribed.
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Rene19santana 05/06/2011 1:31:00 AM
Well pal you can always go back were you came from we cubans bild this place like it or not we are staing and you don't own shit here so good luck somewhere alse
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Stephanlottier 05/06/2011 12:18:00 AM
i have had many letters in the herald.and just like my letter the other day,about the garden in overtown.if its not in little havana or tied to developers don't bother asking for money!just pony up the money to the right people,and you can have just about anything voted your way.i have lived in miami all my life.and ever since the cubans showed up its turned in to shit!!!!!!
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Elguyo21 05/05/2011 10:59:00 PM
Unbelievable!! The late Jim Mandich called this one years ago.... just business as usual in Miami!
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Samson's Boyfriend 05/05/2011 10:53:00 PM
Thank u all the crooked politicians in Miami for a new Marlins stadium...will be going to at least 30 games a year in a/c confort with the latest state of the art amenities...Coulnd't have pulled this off without U...for those that don't like it ...just stay home...nobody cares if u go or not . it's a done deal....
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05/05/2011 9:20:00 PM
it makes me sick that this kind of money is being dumped into this project, but we are cutting $$$$$$$$ from education and govt assistance for disabled children. Shame on us for standing for this crap.
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guest 05/05/2011 9:14:00 PM
People like you are those who have given Miami the reputation we have...most rude, etc., etc.,etc...
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Guest 05/05/2011 9:06:00 PM
The low attendance part of this piece is a little misleading. The team is doing well record-wise, but the current (football) stadium is a pretty lousy place to watch a baseball game. And it only gets worse as the weather gets hotter/muggier. The new stadium should help improve things on this front.
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Pachangapedro 05/05/2011 9:05:00 PM
get the f@#$k out now, then
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guest sal 05/05/2011 6:08:00 PM
After reading this article from beginning to end I have to say that this is another disgrace for Miami. I congratulate all those who took the time to document this disgusting deal. Everyone of us who agree to fight it need to not only speak up, but support them in everyway possible. Keep all of us posted. THANK YOU!
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05/05/2011 4:48:00 PM
Im sooooo over Miami.. i was born and raised here and Miami has completely changed for the worse. These @ssholes don't care about the people of Miami true BUT the people of Miami don't know how to speak up.. Take a stand and fight. It's very tiring to fight alone.. to voice your opinion only to turn around and see no one standing behind you.
Miami is no longer paradise in my eyes.. its just a money hungry corrupt city that I cant wait to leave! I cant see myself raising another child here .. In my opinion there is nothing here but plastic boobs, money hungry scam artists and broken dreams...
GREAT piece by the way...
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Alvaro 05/05/2011 3:39:00 PM
Congratulations. Great piece. Although I must admit, it made me sick. The banana republic headed by our banana republicans lives on.
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05/05/2011 2:37:00 PM
The thing that should have defaulted this in the first place, is that the Marlins, along with every professional team franchise, is privately owned (except for the Packers that are publicly owned by the city of Green Bay). If Mr. Loria wanted a stadium for the Marlins, then he should pay for it himself. Stienbrenner did, Jerry Jones did, why can't he? The Marlins is one of the highest grossing teams in the MLB. If the public is supposed to pay for someone elses business, then the residents of this city should get a cut of profits from the stadium. Also a group of inconpetent people should not have the right to make a city decision on their own personal bias that will affect the wallets of the people of this city. Let's say we would be willing to pay for this stadium, it should have been left to a public vote among residents here. The majority of us were against it from the beginning, but the Marlins administration threatened to leave Miami. Fine! Leave! Good luck finding some other place. I remember going to the first Marlins game in 93 against the Dodgers, I was 4 years old. As much as I have an attachment to my team, I'll just as easily dismiss them as well
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05/05/2011 1:35:00 PM
The Marlins are winning, but after going to my first 3 game series, Apr 19-21 Pirates vs Marlins, attendance was 10, 11 & 12K for each game. Maybe because it was Tues-Thurs night ? But I actually believe attendance was appreciably lower, with a possible exception of the Thursday night game. Maybe attendance fell off because of the economy as well from last season, perhaps even because it's the final season the Marlins are there and the Broward & Palm Beach fans aren't coming any longer like the Miami-Dade fanbase. I can't explain it, but I actually think the Marlins are better this season from the last 2 seasons ? April's W-L record sure shows it. And this after dealing Cantu, Ross, Maybin & Uggla. Perhaps those guys were fan favs and the fans don't see a reason to attend ? I will say that some pre-game item giveaways have been eliminated, Sanchez t-shirts, no more of those, but even there, what did they throw a dozen or so ?.