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Nataliesman77 05/09/2012 11:32:00 AM
Now 411 pain stoops to bashing wrecker drivers, maybe theres another class action lawsuit in 411 pains future
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Tiff0420 04/24/2012 6:06:00 PM
The same thing happened to me! I still have coccyx pain and no lawyer will touch my case because my layer claims I owe them money...they will never see it!!!!
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04/23/2012 5:06:00 PM
I went to 411 pain when my insurance said they would be right out to take a look at my car and two leeks later nothing was done. I was in pain and my insurance company suggested I rest.
411 hooked me up with an attorney who told me... the insurance company is out to save their money, not your health.
things that effect your case ( your injuries, your treatment, your insurance, the other persons insurance and the right attorney) Don't make a mistake.
i know i got my settlement (and the best treatment) by ppl who know what they're doing!!
The 10k in medical benefits dont reflect your 'ends' they are the means you use to get to your ends.
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03/16/2012 3:04:00 PM
Chiropractic care has been used as a proven and effective alternative method of medical treatment for centuries. Primary care physicians are beginning to fully understand that chiropractic treatment can be a valuable tool in their patients' rehabilitation and in maintaining a healthy and pain-free (or as pain-free as possible). Physicians are suggesting to their patients that they try chiropractic treatment before resorting to more drastic or risky methods of treatment such as medication trial and error and surgery.
Thank you,
Janet White
Lower Back Pain
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S11 03/10/2012 12:57:00 PM
Feder and 1-800- need help , just as corrupt !!!
He gets around 200k a month in kickbacks from attorneys, other clinics he refers to and HDC MRI. I had therapy there and was literally threatened to be released from care if I didn't go see their in house pain management doctor. Even more disgusting I would actually here his front desk moron talk about how many patients they see a day!!
Shut them down???
Nah,..... Send them to Jail!!!
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Miguel22 12/15/2011 3:04:00 PM
yeah these guys are a joke, along with Feder and his 800- need-help $1000 per patient kickback program to attorneys and his 60k a month kickback to HDC....tick tock tick tock
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Rspano52 11/16/2011 10:40:00 PM
I too was duped by 411-pain. I was rear ended New Years Eve, 2010. New Years Day there were no lawyers in there offices. So I made the mastake by calling 411-pain. I was sent to a bogus clinic. With no graduation day in site I stopped going. I was assured the lawyers office would put money in my pocket. Eleven months later, I have to call atleast 5-6 times before I get a call back. I concacted Mr. Atwater CFO for the state of Florida. When I CC'ed my lawyer, low and behold I was contacted by the lawyers office. All I heard was the same old Bull____.
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Chiroquac 05/05/2011 12:07:00 AM
call 800-need -help they will at least kiss you behind the ear as they rape you!!!
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MIK23232 04/04/2011 5:27:00 PM
time to get rid of PIP & watch these fat cat criminals who think they are untouchable crumble
411-pain
800-need help
CRIMINALS
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Yomomma 03/04/2011 4:28:00 PM
96.5 is a classic rock station. You meant to say, "95.3"
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Carlorodri 02/19/2011 9:39:00 PM
No you should stay away from 411 gain! Sorry i meant 411 pain. First of all it is a cheap therapy. Every one who is involved in a cra accident has the right to have 10,000.00 for medical service. Find an independant lawyer and find a local friendly chiropractor family practice near you place if you want to have a better treatments. 411 pains have daily 100 to 150 patients a day. I know because i work there and that would be the last place i would go after a car accident. 411 pain treat their patient like there employees (abusing). If you go to 411 pain be ready to visit between 50 to 52 times before your case is over. Even if you feel better. I saw patient having to go there even if they felt better.
The 2 first weeks you have therapy every day and after 3 times a week. The lawyer work with 411 pain. So of course the lawyer will tell you to keep having your therapy. On the 10,000.00 that you are allow, the lawyer get 3.5K and the rest of 6.5k will go for your medical expense so to 411 pain. Robert lewin (The owner and legal thief) is proud to say that 411 pain is helping the injured. The only think he has in mind is your 10k from the insurance company. He will keep you in treatment till you have no money. So I hope you will feel better after because once your 10k is over they will drop your case. Let me explain you how it works. First you will receive 8 minutes of hydro chair, then you will lie down on a traction bed with a heat pad and tens units (electrical stimulation) for 8 minutes again. Then comes your 8 minutes massage. So if you have a sore shoulder, lower back pain and neck pain the massage therapist will give you 8 minutes on those areas so 2. 6 minutes on each part oh yes I forgot on those 8 minutes they also make you stretch so you get 2 for 1 in 8 minutes. After the massage you need to do your exercises. They always make you do 2 exercises at $75.00/each and the exercices last 2 minutes. But Robert lewin became more greedy he told us that 411 pain was not making enough money so every patients need to be adjust by the chiropractor. So the adjustment could take 2 to 3 minutes. Wow! Again do you think that you have for your money??????? If you want to know more about Robert Lewin just look for the Broward and Palm Beach New Times December 9-15, 2010 volume 14 number 6. «Crash course calling 411-Pain could teach you an expensive lesson» by Lisa Rab. A really good article that tell you more about 411 pain.
So the decision is yours.
I hope that Robert Lewin feel proud of his success being a legal thief!
By the way Robert you should give us a raise of salary. A front desk person make 10.00/hr and a massage therapist 14.00/hr and have to deal with your niece Cara. The little Hitler of 411 pain.
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Tech who knows better 02/06/2011 3:07:00 AM
I would like to know where exactly to go. I believe he did sugery on someone who turned down 100,000 so she could get more money. You can't even see any damage on her car.
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Miladysrodriguez1 01/19/2011 3:03:00 PM
are they going to help me ?
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Miladysrodriguez1 01/19/2011 3:02:00 PM
hello i was involved in a accident and i call 411 pain ?
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Eli_lilly 01/19/2011 2:53:00 PM
The irony is that Sohan and Rodriguez' legal team will now do essentially the same thing that 411 Pain previously did.
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Agdllc 01/05/2011 7:34:00 PM
Scam site!!!!
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12/28/2010 11:33:00 PM
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Christianc1980 12/28/2010 9:33:00 PM
This is the biggest scam ever. Unfortunately the Fraud Division of the Florida Dept of Financial Services who are in charge of the frauds have limited resources and personnel. There are thousands of people in this situation and it's really difficult to track every single one of them. They should get one case and publish it all over, this way everyone(including attorneys) will be scare to proceed with this false claims.
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sbarron 12/27/2010 11:47:00 PM
I totally agree with the above comment. Everytime I see a .......commercial I cringe.
Michigan.........insurance still has not paid my lost wages. I was the passenger in a SUV that was totaled by a semi going 60-70 mph. The semi was passing another truck and 'did not see us.' It will be 2 years in May. I have not been back to work yet (RN, BSN). If it was not for my doctors and chiropractor I feel I would be dead right now. I have been through so much pain and stress. This insurance company says they insure more people than anyone. I would love to tell everyone how they have taken my money for years but not have honored their contract with me.
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Joe 12/23/2010 5:08:00 AM
There are bigger questions to ask: Why is it the State of Florida and the Insurance Commissioner allow these ads to exist in the first place? Were they always allowed? The fact of the matter is individuals are being enticed to make a claim and many case get a kickback for it even though its a 3rd degree felony to do so.
While we are on the subject we can ask the Insurance Commissioner why he is allowing an estimated 50% of individuals drive without insurance in Dade County alone!! How about if you dont have insurance if your pulled over the car gets towed and you pay a fine? Another great way for the state to make revenue in leiu of Sunpassing us to death would be fine anyone with a registered car daily until they obtain valid car insurance. As it stands now its a shot in the dark if the state discovers your not insured and even then all you need to do is get insurance at that moment. Make them pay going back to the date they didnt have insurance and suspend their license until they do. If everyone had insurance the rates will have to be reduced....
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Truth King 12/17/2010 3:56:00 AM
I am glad that Tony brought up the name Dr. Gomez in his comment. Tony you just opened up a can of worms. If you look up Dr. Heldo Gomez, gee how did I know his first name if you never mentioned it, is currently under under investigation for insurance fraud by the National Insurance Crime Bureau. Why is Dr. Gomez under investigation you may ask? Well because he performs surgeries on patients that don't need surgery to begin with. For all of you asking for facts go ahead and look it up. There are your facts clear as day.
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Insurance Fraud 12/16/2010 10:13:00 PM
I agree with Terry the insurance system is corrupt...
Just like Terry said, let us determine your health based on the mechanism of the crash...
Forget about us looking at you, or doing an examination on you, just tell us how fast you were going, and what car you were in and we will tell you if you were hurt or not..
Also, let us get some front page news of alleged fraud, so we can go to Tallahassee and let our lobbyist push for tort reform and higher insurance premiums so you the consumer will look the other way and pass blame on these so called criminals all the while we get more money for our investors and board of directors..
When the rates go up...it's not because of fraud it's because of the illusion of fraud..
If you look at the insurance industry reports of how much fraud they alleged,,,ie fake crashes, over-billing(their opinion) etc.. it was 1700 reports..that is $17 million dollars of potential fraud..
Wow..small number compared to the profit and loss reports of these companies...They spend more on that in t shirts and key chains as giveaways..
Grow up, and realize that its not as it seems to be..if it was that bad the insurance companies would leave the state, or close their doors instead of putting their name on everything that moves, or television to get you to buy their product..that we are forced to buy...
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Yolanda 12/14/2010 11:23:00 PM
The State and local authorities need to go after all these pain clininc just like they went after the Medicare/Medicade office. It's another scam. Another way to defraud! You ask why Florida has such high insurance rates, why are homeowner's insurance is high....because of these scams.
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Terry 12/14/2010 8:40:00 PM
I worked in a PIP unit for years and let me tell you, the system is completely corrupt. I have seen small scratches in vehicles that are buffed out for less than $200, but get $20K in meds ($10K for each of the 2 occupants)...sorry, but no legit medical provider can claim that the force necessary to create a scratch can result in $20k of medicals...period, end of story. PIP is 70% fraud so you do not create a system that is 70% waste to get 30 of legit payments. Moreover, strains and sprains (even real ones) will heal on their own without medical intervention.
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12/14/2010 11:02:00 AM
A cop would never tell anyone to call any of these scamming scum bags. This is a Cuban scam business!
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JC 12/14/2010 7:09:00 AM
You're all 'tards! Unless you file suit against the people who are responsible for the accident, the MOST you will get are the limits of the insurance policies in place. That's probably around $50,000.00 for yours and $50,000.00 for theirs. unless you have 1-800-pants-on-the-ground insurance. In that case you probably don't have any underinsured motorist coverage, and are most likely responsible for the accident anyway. They have accident assistance in the countries where many of these poor souls originate. It's called "the undertaker". If the accident is serious enough, you might get the cremation for free.
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Deb 12/14/2010 6:44:00 AM
Yes- it's true. I had worked as a LMT for a clinic involved in the PIP Auto Accident Market. It's all the same. Immediately it's xrays (at a facility they recommend) then MRI (also at their recommended facility) and endless therapies billed at top dollar. Also they insist you "take on a lawyer"(to protect you of course) and miraculously at $ 10,000 of bills you are better ! Unless you are suing and then they just keep running up those bills. When you finally settle your case it's money first to Chiro's and MD's then lawyer and then you if any money is left. BIG RACKET.....
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joe 12/14/2010 4:29:00 AM
WHAT ABOUT THE OTHER BIG 800 COMPANY?? THEY DO THE SAME SHIT! SAME 10K PROMISE IN ADVERTISING. KICKBACKS LEFT AND RIGHT TO ATTORNEYS MRI COMPANIES ETC. THE WHOLE SYSTEM IS CORRUPT.
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Terry 12/14/2010 2:16:00 AM
The best part of the article was what happened to Shapiro...I would have loved to see him as he entered the Kingdom of Hell!
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Tommy 12/13/2010 4:58:00 AM
Now again, I read some of these posts "I got 450k for an accident through 411 pain".
Where did this money come from!?!?
I know somebody who got an in accident and her face basically peeled back and her ear got chopped off.
Instead of a 450k compensation she got closer to 80k most of which went towards medical bills.
Unless you are in a chair with no legs and suffering from permanent brain damage, nobody deserves that amount of money.
The people who are suing fit the profile of who their advertising targets.
POOR MINORITIES, OR Those who just got off the boat!
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tommy 12/13/2010 4:52:00 AM
These 411-pain people are crooks. Those who do not have money or those who want to make money are using their services. Companies like these is why Florida Insurance Rates are so high. People are staging accidents. Most of these chiropractors don't even have valid degrees to validate assumptions. Because of this company we are paying skyrocketed premiums!
POWER 96! The radio station is one station that advertises this company (I wonder what type of people they gear the advertisements to)
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Your Worse Nightmare 12/11/2010 10:42:00 PM
Tony you got $450k for getting rear ended? WOW! What hit you, a football stadium? Where do you think the 450k comes from you idiot? All of our increasing insurance premiums. Nothing like a frivolous fraudulent company to help shady people get paid. You all make me sick
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sal 12/11/2010 7:24:00 PM
It is worse than you portray. Everyone has there hand out in these fleecing s, runners sign up clients and barter with lawyers and clinics, conglomeration of lawyers pay into monthly marketing fees. to get referrals.
Crazy system driving up costs.
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Facts 12/10/2010 11:59:00 PM
Well it seems to me your argument loses some veracity just because you used the name "connie is scum", never a good way to start a logical argument. More importantly though you didn't state any facts, just assumptions and suppositions. You also through in a bunch of insults and rambling and do it mostly in a run on sentence that cannot easily be understood. The most disturbing part of your ramblings though is the sentence: "The burden should not be put on the miserable sole that actually believes they are just going to get 10K it should be put on the business scum that makes a living off targeting folks that have nothing and promised something to them." That is the liberal crap that is ruining our country, where is the personal responsibly, the accountability, where are your cries about someone who EXPECTS to get $10,000 CASH because they are ENTITLED TO IT. The commercials clearly say benefits not cash, I cant attest to whether or not all the treatments are necessary but I am not a doctor and I bet your not one either. FACTS PEOPLE, FACTS AND PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY MATTER!
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connie is scum 12/10/2010 10:00:00 PM
The facts to support the case are strong:
Sohan and friend were never where mislead into thinking you sign up with 411 pain and you get 10K which directly leads to how 411's abuse of FL's PIP. Then Broward Rehab knowing Sohan DID NOT have insurance and did not previously bill him used up the 10K- not until the Broward Rehab used up the 10K did it began to bill at which point Sohan as smart, stupid as he was had no option whether to carry any unpaid debt- which effects credit or........ as 411 so readily has "their atty" service. Listen in my eyes both are cons and that is the problem!! you have company like 411 find an area in insurance law that they can abuse and they Robert (extremely unethical - but irrelevant to argument just my opinion) create an advertising company that promotes getting free money, very large amount - 10K). Come on the very true statement in the article is that company's like 411 push and abuse the law to the point where Gov had to get involved and mandate for them to state the disclaimer they are an atty referral service. Why didn't Broward Rehab send the supporting documentation the state for Sohan's Disability claim? 411 pain smart YES, ETHICAL NO, MISLEADING YES, making insurance more expensive for all YES! The reality is if someone is truly injured in an accident there are laws and legitimate atty's that will help- 411 pain is abusive and very misleading - It advertises FREE MONEY AND PROMOTES FRAUD. The burden should not be put on the miserable sole that actually believes they are just going to get 10K it should be put on the business scum that makes a living off targeting folks that have nothing and promised something to them. Also very savvy after seeing the Connie approach didn't work you got the Peter and 450K comment these are better but at the end of the day the claims are justified, 411 is going to try to drown this out legally so that Sohan's atty eventually breaks because of cost and then settle for some small amount and have that retarded PR company come out and say YOU SEE 411 was innocent. Word to the wise aside from 411's advertising demographic - there are smart people that see this at face value - how serious
ous can you be about following your dead friends dream of expanding your business when you are giving out snookie prizes on your website - what ever happens happens the large legal burden is on Sohan but don't for a moment think that anyone buys Robert's true goal is to help those in need.
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Gail & Facts 12/10/2010 9:45:00 PM
Dear Gail,
Seeing as you like to do research and pursue facts on your off-time, you could have gone for that extra Google search and realized the Westword and the New Times are both part of the same company.
Way to fail. Oh and Connie, take your meds.
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H 12/10/2010 4:19:00 PM
I just know I like the term chocolate skin. Mmmmmm tasty.
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tony 12/10/2010 10:04:00 AM
I used 411 pain last year. I got rearended and they helped me get my car paid and I got $450,000 for my injuries. I treated at Hollywood Injury and had surgery with Dr. Gomez. The doctor there was great. What is the issue here? Looks like Sohan is bitter his case didn't go too well. the law firm that took his case is very jealous that they have very little business so they are trying to sue the biggest organization that helps injured people. Its a shame that new times who caters to pill poppers and idiots that like to have prostitutes can get away with writing such a slanderous article. I hope Robert and Jorge, who by the way is hot and very informing when it comes to informing us of our rights when injured, sue the New times for writing such a false and slanderous article.
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Pat Mcgroin 12/10/2010 5:03:00 AM
"No investigative agency has publicly accused 411-PAIN of criminal wrongdoing, and Sohan and Rodriguez's lawsuit does not directly accuse 411-PAIN of PIP fraud. Instead, it says the two men were misled into using the company's services so that 411-PAIN could "secure insurance payments and reimbursement for medical services."
Who wants to join my class action lawsuit against Budweiser they misled me into thinking buying their beer would bring me attractive women, so that they could secure beer payments and reimbursements for keg services.
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Question 12/10/2010 4:49:00 AM
To "Connie is scum", What are the facts?
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Connie is scum 12/10/2010 3:39:00 AM
Connie YOU ARE A BIGGER DUMBASS than Sohan you are an obvious joke- At least you admit you know "Robert" which shows your level of character (poor). Any man who has someone sign legal documents while on life support- is worthless. Also you calling the person a Sohan a dumbass - makes you an idiot, he is the very exact demographic your buddy Robert's advertising firm goes after. As for your Priest comments 2 wrongs don't make a right. Also insulting the writer makes your following comments bias and useless. By being so one-sided your true colors are rather transparent- Maybe you are the small percentage Robert got money back for or the PR company is paying you. Next time before you go off ranting and raving stop and check yourself - I have no idea who you are but there are facts in the story that regardless of who you know or don't know can not be denied. So basically stop insulting people that you don't know - you sound like a nut job-
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Buy American or Drop Dead 12/09/2010 11:11:00 PM
Really sad part of this scam is these money grubbing snake oil chiropractors and "fly-by night" medical clinics exhaust the $10,000 so fast, if the accident victim is really injured, they're unable to consult with a legitimate doctor like a orthopedic or neurologist. Stay away ... they'll cripple you for the money with absolutely no remorse.
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Clelia 12/09/2010 10:46:00 PM
It hapened to me twice. got injured in a car accident, right after that saw on tv a chiropractic ad that inspired me to visit on his office to get a relife from my back pain. He also refered me to a lawyer. Both took my money and also ruin my credit, they billed to much that my insuramce company didn't cover so i was responsible for $2,500 MRI that since then didn't pay so still in my credit score unpaid, becouse I can't affore.
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george platos 12/09/2010 9:11:00 PM
Lewin is a marketing genius. While what he is doing not illegal, it may be unethical in the eyes of some. Welcome to the free market. If people are stupid enough to use his services, shame on them not those who profit. I personally would never go to one of these pip mills. There is no real story here just bad press.
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ALEX 12/09/2010 8:37:00 PM
Good article
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Allopez 12/09/2010 7:21:00 PM
The Lewins have been ripping people off, especially minorities since Small Fry. They were offering daycare and kindergarten classes to minorities, charging outrageous fees and using unqualified staff. Now they are doing it again with this 411 Pain crap. Some things never change. What a great scam.
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Seth 12/09/2010 6:44:00 PM
I love Connie.
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Connie L. 12/09/2010 5:54:00 PM
are you kidding me??? I like the fact that he signed off on services that he didnt even know what they were...then why dont you ask?!?!? another thing, mechanical traction isnt supposed to crack your back unless your bones are made from glass dumbass!! This story is full of shit and goes off topic soo much! who cares if he has 3 houses,i know robert personally and i know the true story. Also, what does it matter what guy did at 16?? Rapists and murders become priests!!Let the past be the past and dont dwell upon it let alone research it to try to make him look bad!I also think if people think they are going to get a minimum of 10,000 bux cash right off the bat then you need to seriously start reading and understand! How the hell are you going to pay for services, the chiro, doctor , and massage therapy?? It says " you are entitled up to 10,000 in benefits!! not oh were gonna give you 10,000 dollars cash for missing work! Its a service, you called and thats it! stop your bitching and whining!Fl insurance is so damn high because of all the immigrants and people that live here. Nobody knows how to drive, always talking on the phone, reading, writing, and eating while driving. If you dont like the rates and all your gonna do is bitch, then get the hell out of fl!! People have nothing better to do in the u.s. everyones sue happy and need to get their priorities straight!
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K.C. Montgomery 12/09/2010 3:54:00 AM
To those of you saying that this article is meaningless, you've got to be joking right? I mean we pay some of the highest insurance premiums in the country depsite having some of the lowest salaries. Miami Dade county alone has the highest rate of insurance fraud out of any county in the nation.
If you know anything about medical billing you would see that Dade County's rates that get charged by chiropractors are triple to quadruple what chiropractors charge in other counties with comparable cost of living.
IT'S ALL A SCAM
Great article Lisa. It's just unfortunate that just like everywhere else in the country we have politicians instead of leaders so nothing will be done about this, and people who do things the right way will continue to have to pay for the criminals among us.
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Truth King 12/09/2010 3:50:00 AM
For all of you who believe that what 411-PAIN is doing is just "petty crap" think about that the next time insurance rates get raised even though you have never been in an accident. Also be sure to check in with the sun-sentinel in a couple of days as they are running the same story. Maybe they aren't credible enough for you either.
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Ripped 12/09/2010 2:41:00 AM
Two words Lisa... beef curtain.
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Connie 12/09/2010 2:39:00 AM
Wow Lisa, I'm glad to see you have come so far in the journalism world. Your career is really taking off! I see why you write for a free paper... loser.
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willie brown 12/09/2010 2:34:00 AM
411 pain got me a lawyer and helped my back n i got money cuz i could not work. i got monies for my pain. 411 pain for life nigga!!
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Jeanette Gonzalez 12/09/2010 2:27:00 AM
I called 411 Pain about 2 years ago after my car accident. The treatment I received was excellent. The staff actually seemed to care and they reassured me and answered all of my questions to the best of their ability. When they didn't know something, I was told to ask my attorney, who was also very helpful and got me a great settlement as well as a new car. I can't believe how one sided and ridiculous this article is and I won't be wasting my time reading your paper again. I am grateful 411 pain was there when I needed them.
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Inneed 12/09/2010 2:22:00 AM
Jorge/Robert
How about a loan?
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Jenny Love 12/09/2010 2:20:00 AM
I am utterly dissapointed by this article. Until now I have been a fan of and respected the New Times. After reading this garbage that rambles on FOREVER about nothing more than petty crap, I must say I will probably not continue to be a fan. I felt as if I was reading the National Enquirer, this article was nothing but trash. Lisa, you are, without a doubt, THE worst journalist I have EVER wasted my time reading.
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Fag 12/09/2010 2:15:00 AM
sfsf
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Gail 12/09/2010 1:40:00 AM
Lisa, there is a reason the Westword laid you off for writing non-factual stories. You seem to go into great detail into the backgrounds of the two principal founders of 411 Pain, but failed to check the plaintiff's backgrounds. In less than 10 minutes I was able to ascertain that one of the plaintiff's has numerous traffic violations and the other has a felony drug record. Don't you think the character of these two gentlemen would have been relevant to your article? Was this left out due to your poor journalist (and I use that term loosely) skills? Or were you paid to write the article by a third party? Or are you just stupid?
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giggles 12/09/2010 1:27:00 AM
Omg these people are full of crap.They are handling my case now and now I feel dumb for going along their stupid commercials.I wonder if I can cancel this :/ Ok...My comment just got deleted are they reading these comments as well and deleting the comments that are making them look bad?
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Giggles 12/09/2010 1:21:00 AM
Omg these people are full of crap.They are handling my case now and now I feel dumb for going along their stupid commercials.I wonder if I can cancel this :/
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Truth King 12/08/2010 11:44:00 PM
The only reason that this article seems one sided is because you already here the other side of the story from the advertisement from 411-PAIN. They imply that you are entitled to $10,000 of Insurance Benefits. What they don't tell you is that the money doesn't go directly to you. When you go for treatment you sign what is called an Assignment of Benefits basically signing away your rights to the Clinic so that THEY can collect the $10,000 from the Insurance Companies and then they refer you to an attorney so that they can bring a case against the person at fault for an accident. In the end we all end up paying because insurance rates increase to cover the payout being made to these clinics. If you want to see how helpful 411-PAIN really is tell them that you were the one at fault for the accident or were involved in a hit and run accident and do not have Uninsured Motorist Coverage on your policy. 411-PAIN and their attorneys will do nothing for you except to make sure that their clinics get $10,000 and leave you to somehow pay the other 20% not covered by your PIP Coverage.
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Tony Fox 12/08/2010 11:30:00 PM
As a PIP Claims Adjuster and a resident of Miami, FL I am all too familiar with 411-Pain, and the other services like them.
The funniest thing about the treatment that people get from this clinics, is that alot of times it puts them in more danger than they were ever in before. I have seen clinics submit medical bills for the treatment of infants. They give the same treatment to everyone that goes into thier office regardless of age, sex, or complaints.
If you ask any legitimate chiropractor there is absolutely ZERO benefit for anyone receiving passive physical therapy on a daily basis. We are talking about injuries that if left alone resolve themselves in a matter of weeks. Yet for about 3 wks of txmnt on average we get medical bills in excess of 5k.
There are people out there that get into car accidents that are really injured, and I've seen it happen countless times where they will exhaust thier benefits, and still be in pain.
These doctors and lawyers are some of the most unethical people I have ever dealth with, and the fact that someone working for an insurance comapny thinks that says alot.
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eric 12/08/2010 11:11:00 PM
seems to me the NEW TIMES And some of these people are just plain old jealous haters. 411 pain provides a service, no one is forcing anyone to use them. people need to stop hating rich successful people so much..And what is the point of New times saying the owner looks like danny devito, who cares what he looks like. That filth and hate they spew is a joke
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paul 12/08/2010 11:08:00 PM
I called 411 pain a year ago and my case setltled for $60,000. I couln't be happier. My back got better and I walked away with a beautiful settlement.. I did get some money from my pip.I got appx $3k for some loss wages.. U do have 10k of benefits. I am confused as to what 411 pain did wrong here. they helped me a lot
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Gail 12/08/2010 11:02:00 PM
As a legal professional, it is frustrating that the actions of a few unscrupulous attorneys can cast a negative shadow on the entire profession. Although I found the article interesting, I found it to be one sided. How do you trust an article from a paper whose main source of income is advertising revenue from pill mill clinics and escort services?
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Max 12/08/2010 9:06:00 PM
Kudos New Times. Hopefully this article will bring a flood of new lawsuits to the clearly slimy 411-Pain 'business'. Everyone knows that Personal Injury attorneys and chiropractors abuse the Florida no-fault system and unfairly profit from insurance companies who simply pass this cost on to the Florida drivers. 411-Pain is just a middleman that inserted itself into this rat's nest. Although I know it's far fetched, I pray for the day when blood sucking PI attorneys and Pain Clinics would get their due. This state will be a better place when such vermin reside elsewhere (hopefully somewhere where they all have to wear orange jumpsuits all day).
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alex 12/08/2010 8:45:00 PM
411-paid does not lie when they says they they will get you 10k in benefits. But they dont tell you exactly how . The problem is, everyone wants a hand out. Of course you are not going to get money in an accident. If it were true, everyone will be staging accidents left and right. If I were you, I would never call a lawyer, call your insurance company, this will avoid fraud and prices will drop, but since everyone wants a hand out, fraud is all over the place and you take the responsibility out of the insurance company to regulate the doctors and lawyers.
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Richard T. Parillo 12/08/2010 8:40:00 PM
One more thing, PIP insurance only costs around $10 a month for good drivers with GEICO. Plus, there are so many insurers fighting for our businsess I highly doubt fraud represents very much in Florida. It is probably the same for medicare, mortgates, real estate, etc. Otherwise, why are their so many insurers advertising for business that is so filled with fraud?? I do not believe the hype. Seems to me the insurers want more legislation so they can be even more profitable.
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Richard T. Parillo 12/08/2010 8:35:00 PM
PIP insurance is outstanding insurance. It covers lost wages, medical expenses, funeral expenses for the insured, resident relatives, and pedistrians. Unfortunately, this facility appears to go to far. Notwithstanding, as a card carrying republican I believe the market place determines which business succeed or fail. We need less government regulation. If any provider is committing fraud they should be arrested. If they over treat then people will stop using them. Anyone dumb enough to pick a lawyer or doctor based on TV ads gets what they deserve.
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br sumbich 12/08/2010 3:28:00 PM
it is blood suckers like these, who make it nearly impossible for anyone with a legitimate injury to receive a fair compensation.
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Mitchell 12/08/2010 9:07:00 AM
Whoever chooses a doctor, albeit a chiropractor, medical doctor or osteopathic doctor from a radio or TV commercial rather than getting a recommendation from a friend is an idiot.
IF you need a health care professional, ask a friend, co-worker or family member, then research them on Google or Yahoo.
Stay away from those cheesy ad people on TV and Radio.
So after 911, call a friend and ask them instead.
There are ligit doctors that can really help you if you're actually hurt in a car accident. But you must find them as they usually don't advertise in such a cheesy and misleading manor.
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Bob 12/08/2010 7:44:00 AM
Typical Jews
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Jim 12/08/2010 7:41:00 AM
They are stealing from all driver that pay insurance. They should be killed
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HAHA 12/08/2010 6:37:00 AM
I have heard that air head girl sell the ad on power 96 like shes proud of the scam. You should find her as well and make sure she gets a piece of the action she so proudly announces.
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Mick 12/08/2010 6:27:00 AM
This appears to be a spoon-fed article....but by who? hmmmm
The insurance industry is just warming up their engines.
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Gerald 12/08/2010 3:56:00 AM
Honestly... he deserved to get screwed. He called this company because he was looking for a quick payday, like so many other people do, that have been driving up insurance rates for years.
This company needs to be shut down and the operators possibly prosecuted, but I don't have a lot of sympathy for anybody who gets taken for a ride by them while trying to use them to take somebody else for a ride.
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Albert 12/08/2010 3:49:00 AM
I would say this article is the most one-sided, biased article I've ever read, but that would mean I've never read another New Times article. With poor writing like this, you'll never be considered more than a free tabloid paper.
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LJL 12/08/2010 2:57:00 AM
These chiropractors should be reported to the department of health in their respective state so that they cannot practice anymore.