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Yoyoma 01/12/2011 11:18:00 PM
City of Miami are all corrupt losers...
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Corpses blight neighborhoods 12/17/2010 11:55:00 PM
Corpses blights neighborhoods. These dead bodies don't live in the neighborhood. They don't live anywhere. They are just overjoyed they could find idiots who foolishly think that a much-needed public skatepark will somehow result in spraypainted tombstones so that the dead can continue to leisurely rot in their own private oasis.
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$2.1 Million? Kidding right? 12/11/2010 8:22:00 PM
$2.1 Million? This is another scam right? Another scam to funnel money to connected architects and connected contractors...
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Hello graffiti skate board par 12/09/2010 9:06:00 AM
Perfect. A disgusting graffiti covered $2.1 Mil blighted skate board park for spoiled out of town skateboaders.
Another stupid City of Miami decision.
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Fort Pierce 12/04/2010 12:41:00 AM
We have a 13,000 square foot skatepark up here in Fort Pierce. It's about half as far as Daytona.
http://teampain.com/concrete/projects_concrete2.php
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Clyde Cates Jr, 11/29/2010 1:34:00 AM
Letter to editor:
Skate park next to Miami city cemetery is an example of good officials gone bad. Suggest they lay off the weed a bit.
Skateboarders doing their thing while envisioning their death viewing the graves of Miami's pioneers. Warp government prospective, place the park next to the bay where skateboarders can be inspired to excel. Miami city cemetery is in the homeless territory, the youth of Miami will learn firsthand the art of panhandling, drugs going down & prostitution in all its glory & despair. Miami leaders who be right in mind need to rescue the youth of Miami from good officials gone bad. Clyde Cates Jr. Sexton Miami city cemetery, Retired.
Off the record: 31 years city Miami employee, last 4 years working as a Fed for Homeland.
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Graffiti blights neighborhoods 11/28/2010 7:28:00 AM
Graffiti blights neighborhoods. These skateboarders don't live in the neighborhood. They live somewhere else. They are just overjoyed they could find idiots at the City of Miami to waste over $2.1 MILLION on their own private oasis.
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Daniel F 11/27/2010 12:31:00 AM
First off, after reading the whole article, it was my understanding that only $700k was budgeted for the actual skate park. The other portion seems to be for infrastructure that would be beneficial to the community as a whole.
But more to the point. These people are members of our community. How many public basketball or tennis courts do we have? Where are they located? I don't see anyone suggesting that they be placed in "no-man's lands" beside highways, railroads, or under overpasses. Skateparks are deserving of the same type of setting that any other form of public recreation is offered. Relegating them to the outskirts is neither appropriate nor reasonable. Miami is full of countless locations that could also be appropriate. Why haven't the people fighting it come up with realistic and viable solutions. It surprises me that Legion Park was not mentioned.
As an architect who specialized in historic preservation and adaptive reuse, it bothers me tremendously to see the type of arguments put forth by those opposing this location. History, our forefathers and that which precedes us is important to remember, celebrate and incorporate into our daily lives. Respect for the past is an integral part of our culture. However, enshrining everything that came before us in a protective shroud does nothing but force people to live amongst a hodge podge of sterile spaces. We often celebrate the street life that seems so prevalent in Europe. They have become virtual experts at incorporating modern activities into what we would consider to be historic and some might argue "sacred" environments. That is what gives it life. I, for one, have no interest in turning any part of this city or country into a sterile museum.
On a final note, it surprises me that Mr. Tate is not being called out for his bigoted and hateful words. He vilifies these men and women, boys and girls in a manner that is neither an acceptable nor constructive part of the dialogue. Would that he expended one iota of his vitriol in a positive manner and offered his hand in partnership instead, we could continue to make Miami a truly unique city, deserving of her moniker.
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Skatepark for $2.1 Mil? 11/23/2010 8:38:00 PM
Crazy. Wasting over $2 mil on concrete so skateboarders can have a place to trash and drink beer.
The expense will hurt local businesses and neighbors. Who wants kids with baggy jeans spraypainting graffiti on their property?
This another Sarnoff scheme to pay back campaign contributors?
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Sporty Spice 11/21/2010 9:11:00 AM
Attn: Developers
condo sales are down so instead why not build a profitable skate park in Miami. If you charge 4000 skaters a month $10 thats $480k pure profit every year.
If there is such a high demand and practically no supply then it si guaranteed to be successful. Right? Am I missing something? so why hasnt this happened yet?
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MOM 11/17/2010 4:02:00 AM
Skateboarding negates all these undesirable actions you so clearly do not witness, Jimmy. The ones who do not skate are the problem. I have seen through my own EXPERIENCES that skateboarding is a recreational gateway to art, music, photography, cinema and most importantly self expression. All things very lacking in sports athletes. My children took no interest in the arts until they skateboarded. We watch on T.V. professional skateboarders making there own art and putting together galleries. What do basketball, and football players promote?
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MOM 11/17/2010 4:02:00 AM
Skateboarding negates all these undesirable actions you so clearly do not witness, Jimmy. The ones who do not skate are the problem. I have seen through my own EXPERIENCES that skateboarding is a recreational gateway to art, music, photography, cinema and most importantly self expression. All things very lacking in sports athletes. My children took no interest in the arts until they skateboarded. We watch on T.V. professional skateboarders making there own art and putting together galleries. What do basketball, and football players promote?
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P. Nis 11/15/2010 12:20:00 AM
This quote says it all..
"The commissioner told me he didn't care who I was," Tate says. "He was real obnoxious and nasty. I've worked with presidents Clinton and Bush. Neither of them has ever acted the way Sarnoff does. He wants everyone to kiss his ring."
Fuck you Sarnoff!
Nothing wrong with a public skate park, just put it somewhere else.
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Sporty Spice 11/13/2010 11:00:00 PM
In the park you could build a skate plaza instead of skate park. A plaza is more low key, incorporates trees and grassy areas instead of a solid mass of concrete.
There are several highway underpasses along Biscayne Blvd that would serve as a good location for a skate park (36th St). Underpasses are otherwise a barren wasteland.
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Timmay 11/13/2010 8:51:00 PM
I've noticed that the big green signs over our expressways often have graffiti on them, so let's get rid of those too, right Jimmy? Is "some asshole might paint something on it" really the litmus test we should be using when deciding whether to build something from now on? How about once we manage to permanently prohibit the erection of any paintable surfaces, you and I figure out how to get rid of the cemetery since it's full of corpses which are most decidedly Not Cohesive With The Surrounding Neighborhood. We'll make a great team, you and me. Timmay and Jimmy--making all manner of well-informed policy decisions for the betterment of mankind...
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Robert Stack 11/13/2010 7:51:00 PM
Jimmy........Stay in your fish bowl You are Blind and have no clue .. You don't skate .. You look for things just to complain about. AND No you don't care about a safe place for kids .. read Your own past comments. But If you really want to find out about skatboarding and the people on the boards .. I will be more than Happy to really take you around... I am VERY EASY TO FIND .. My FULL name is at the top..
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Jimmy 11/13/2010 4:42:00 PM
Offmylawn-
I dont care if it is the gang kids, skaters, or AARP radicals that are destroying their park. The FACT remains that skate parks draw an element not cohesive with the surrounding neighborhood. In nearly EVERY case, it is neighboring business and properties that suffers. And BTW, before you claim this is an ISOLATED case, I will point out that google can find HUNDREDS if not THOUSANDS of similar instances all across the country.
It is not the temple,its leaders, the cemetery, or the law biding skaters fault people oppose construction. It is the select minority of patrons, and a portion of the crowd they draw to these skate parks that bring on the opposition. So cut the BS, people have the right to protect what they perceive as their best interest and their property, has nothing to do with hating kids or kids having fun.
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Offa My Lawn! 11/13/2010 3:15:00 AM
Jimmy--what makes you image that skateboarders would have destroyed their own skatepark? Why would they do that? Doesn't it seem more likely that perhaps someone *opposed* to the skatepark might have a motive to ruin it than someone who appreciates it? In fact, does anybody know the whereabouts of Penny Lambeth and Enid Pinkney at 11:30 AM on August 26th, 2008?
My money is on Bedford, Massachusetts.
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nevergetcaught! 11/12/2010 11:34:00 PM
Check out The Real Story. Also, to qoute pro skater Mike Vallely, "Why would I want to run through a graveyard? I never wanted to run through a graveyard."
http://thenevergetcaughtshow.blogspot.com/2010/09/save-biscayne-skatepark.html
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Randall Halton 11/12/2010 10:48:00 PM
Your never too old to bust your ass skate boarding. Sell the ECO neurotics a mountain skate and show them the way to the tallest landfill in the area if they want to think parks and tree'scheems.
Skatebord sites MPORA.de Surfdome.com uk have the info on the anti boarders.
Skateboards are also good for BASE JUMPING departures.
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jimmyj 11/12/2010 3:23:00 PM
NEVERGETCAUGHT-
Image the patrons of this park getting let loose in a historic cemetery?
http://www.wickedlocal.com/bedford/multimedia/x1193588567/Vandals-damage-skateboard-park
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jimmyj 11/12/2010 3:16:00 PM
Well Howard, I actually know a little about having neighbors as skaters. Ask around, and maybe you will be enlightened as to the nuisance they cause. As for the use of public tax dollars and land use, I would suggest building a rehab center, or shelter for the homeless. Considering the current residents of this property as you point out, society would net greater gains with a shelter or rehab center than a skate park to prevent destructive kids from "doing an ollie off a building's front steps or arrested for vandalism for grinding on a bus bench", as pointed out by Levy and friends.
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nevergetcaught 11/12/2010 8:33:00 AM
Check out The Real Story
http://thenevergetcaughtshow.blogspot.com/2010/09/save-biscayne-skatepark.html
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Robert Stack 11/12/2010 8:32:00 AM
WELL JIMMY??? You must not have any kids nor skate yourself And On top of it all you must be BLIND Are You?? I see over 50 kids a day on boards I also see atleast 5 to 10 adults on boards a day.. Maybe it is time you jump out of your fish bowl and see Miami as it really is before making that comment
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Howard 11/11/2010 9:13:00 PM
"First is that nobody wants the skate park and the element it draws as a neighbor." Have you ever been to the Festival Bay MALL. Yea thats right a MALL! Where you said no one would want its element or the park? Next time you go to Orlando go to Disney or Bass Pro Shops stop by Vans Skatepark and talk to some kids, the park manager, the mall management, and the shop owners.
Didnt we already mention the element thats currently there? Prostitutes, Drug users, Drug dealers, Homeless... ect. What element do skateboarders bring and how many skateboarders are close friends of yours? What is so bad about the skateboarders that you personally know?
"Second is the two or three jobs it creates, in exchange for 2.2 million taxpayer dollars, and the burden of operating and maintaining such a facility is just not worth it. The 2.2 million is not for the skatepark alone." There will be companies hired that employ concrete skatepark construction, landscaping, plumbing, electricity, building construction, and of course a breeding ground for the next wave of professional skateboarders... And the simple known idea that if you keep kids occupied it keeps them out of trouble. Concrete needs VERY little maintenance. There will be a need for landscapers as is with any park. 2.2 mill is nothing compared to the cost of swimming pools, baseball fields, soccer fields, basketball courts, (most of which go unused) And lets not forget the dog parks... As I mentioned people will vacation here for the skatepark, I know its shocking to you. Orlandos Vans park remember? Thats why its there, right on International Dr. and has been since 2002. Some people I know would be very happy with the "burden" of operating and maintaining the park.
"Third is that such a facility would only cater to a very small slice of the population that is funding it." A 2002 report by American Sports Data found that there were 18.5 million skateboarders in the world. I am willing to bet most live in Florida and California.
I could go on and on debating but I have work to do... Lets get these parks built!
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Jimmy 11/11/2010 7:41:00 PM
I see 3 major obstacles to building this park. First is that nobody wants the skate park and the element it draws as a neighbor. Second is the two or three jobs it creates, in exchange for 2.2 million taxpayer dollars, and the burden of operating and maintaining such a facility is just not worth it. Third is that such a facility would only cater to a very small slice of the population that is funding it.
Sorry Seth. A public funded skate board park makes as much sense as a public funded lacrosse stadium. It only services a small group of the population that is paying for is.
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Howard 11/11/2010 4:32:00 AM
Tim... You need to be less concerned about who is involved and more concerned about getting a park. If Bozo the clown himself showed up and got the park built I would be stoked and Bozo can hang out with me anytime. If you are part of the scene BE part of the scene. If you know Alan and Rob you should know who I am so we can talk about this face to face anytime. You do realize you are becoming part of the problem and not part of the solution? Better yet when the park is built dont come skate it because of who was involved in getting it built. That should solve everything for you...
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cc 11/11/2010 12:54:00 AM
I love skaters and totally support this park being built! it would be right down the street from me so perfect. Im a Novice female skater and i would love o find a patient tutor to help me become better.these old fogeys never had any fun in their life! too bad none of them know a skater in their fam or as a friend they would see. That skateboarding is healing and keeps kids away from drugs and vandalism.chava
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Tim 11/10/2010 11:19:00 PM
First off, you interviewed these kids (Paul Hurtado and Seth Levy) that have very little to do with the South Florida skateboard scene. Aside from Chris Williams, these people are laughed at wherever they go. And as far as Paul Hurtado being a "Miami-based professional skater", he started his own company and turned himself "Pro". That does not make you a professional skateboarder. And Seth, he has been in Florida for 4 years, he has no idea of the history of skateboarding here. There are guys that have been in the skate scene here for 20 plus years that are fighting for this skate park.Instead of interviewing these guys who have insight and input about this matter, you interviewed 2 snot-nosed, arrogant kids. These kids are in no way a reflection of the skaters in South Florida. They are jokes. Why weren't Robbie Weir and Alan Gelfand interviewed for this? They would have provided a much better insight into why the skateboarders of South Florida need this skate park. Instead we get rich kid "Cadillac enthusiasts" who look like all they are doing is complaining about how much it costs to drive to skate parks in the $50,000 plus cars. Cry me a river.
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Tim 11/10/2010 10:57:00 PM
First off, you interviewed these kids (Paul Hurtado and Seth Levy) that have very little to do with the South Florida skateboard scene. Aside from Chris Williams, these people are laughed at wherever they go. And as far as Paul Hurtado being a "Miami-based professional skater", he started his own company and turned himself "Pro". That does not make you a professional skateboarder. And Seth, he has been in Florida for 4 years, he has no idea of the history of skateboarding here. There are guys that have been in the skate scene here for 20 plus years that are fighting for this skate park.Instead of interviewing these guys who have insight and input about this matter, you interviewed 2 snot-nosed, arrogant kids. These kids are in no way a reflection of the skaters in South Florida. They are jokes. Why weren't Robbie Weir and Alan Gelfand interviewed for this? They would have provided a much better insight into why the skateboarders of South Florida need this skate park. Instead we get rich kid "Cadillac enthusiasts" who look like all they are doing is complaining about how much it costs to drive to skate parks in the $50,000 plus cars. Cry me a river.
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miamigrl 11/10/2010 10:34:00 PM
I live one block from this site, and am having a hard time understanding the opposition to a skate park. Currently this field and the surrounding area is a no man's land after hours for walking around, unless you are homeless, drug addicted or a prostitute.
I don't understand Miami residents, sometimes.
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Howard 11/10/2010 11:32:00 AM
As a 43 year old, United States Air Force veteran, black skateboarder, I say this skatepark in long overdue and thats putting it lightly. Sure its next to a historic cemetery. Who is that hurting? The deceased? If noise is an issue, what about the fire department next to it? Or the soccer players that scream and yell as they play. Then the music and beers after? How about the homeless, drug users, and prostitution so prevalent in the area? Is that "sacrilege"? The parks mentioned are pre fababricated junk and far from world class as other major and even minor cities have. Englewood Florida is a very small town on the west coast and has a better park than all of South East Florida. That my friend is sacrilegious! I travel to Naples, Englewood, and Orlando just to find a good world class skatepark. Lucky for me I am not a 15 year old and deciding that its just too difficult to keep myself occupied doing something I love. Then deciding that something like gangs, drugs, stealing cars to joy ride, or holding up nice old ladies like the ones in this article is a better choice. Miami needs this park and many others. As well as giving children an outlet. It helps the community too. All the places I mention I rent hotels at, eat food at, buy gas at... I plan my vacations around skateboarding. As I head back to Afghanistan this month I will be thinking. Will Miami have a park when I return or will I have to open my new business in Colorado where I can skate and employ people and give my tax dollars there? Miami do whats right... Build a world class skatepark for the kids and the future of this great city.
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Spoiled skaters 11/10/2010 9:48:00 AM
Spoiled skaters desperate for a free place to skate want City of Miami taxpayers to spend $2.2 MILLION plus contribute a soccer field. They would replace "green friendly" grass with concrete.
Hello. Miami is broke.
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BRS 11/10/2010 9:24:00 AM
"ollie off a building's front steps or arrested for vandalism for grinding on a bus bench."------Any more questions about the opposition?----
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BRS 11/10/2010 9:21:00 AM
From the article, and I quote:
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"The opposition has bummed out Levy and his friends,---> who just want a place to skate where they won't be kicked out for doing an ollie off a building's front steps or arrested for vandalism for grinding on a bus bench.
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Bob Smith 11/10/2010 2:10:00 AM
I was born in Daytona and am very familiar with Bethune Point. It's an isolated point of land in the Halifax River where the circus used to set their tent when they came to town. One thing it ISN'T near is either a church or a cemetery. It's isolated and surrounded by the waters of the Intracoastal. I guarantee you Daytonians would be just as riled about the idea if they had tried to build it in more urban surroundings. I have no issue with the concept of a park, but I do if they want to put it there between two sacred places. Why doesn't the city put it someplace on Watson Island?? Isn't that in the Omni CRA district? Leave the cemetery & the temple alone.
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Chucky 11/10/2010 1:43:00 AM
...only in Miami, only in the banana republic.
You see they have absolutely no problem doing this kind of stuff in Volusia, or Brevard, or Indian River, or any of the other American communities in this state.
Those are the counties that promote surfing, and skating, and those kinds of things.
On the other hand, Dade County is an anomaly in the state of Florida. It used to be a normal, Florida community, but that changed. It doesn't resemble the rest of the state anymore, but most of you don't remember when it did.
Everybody has an agenda in this county, even this Levy dude.
So, build the effin' 'park, just build it somewhere else. This cemetary site isn't the only venue in town.
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robert stack 11/09/2010 11:57:00 PM
Well Penny...I hope this is positive for you...But I really thought this story said it all .. As far as the person who wrote it?? I know for a fact he is no spring chicken like you honey.. He is well into his 30s. As I am well into my 40s. I am also a TRUE Miami native,Not like some that are transplants. Please don't get me wrong YOU REALLY Do some fantastic stuff here with our history And truth being I would LOVE to work with you some time. I am VERY fond of our history here in Miami. BUT you should remember this and you know this .... Miami is the magic city and this is part of the magic. I am begging you to please butt out of things like this that you know nothing about. If you really want to know about our history about skateboarding here in miami ?? Lets you and I go out for lunch one day and talk.. FOR REAL!! We can learn from each other.. I am easy to get intouch with please feel free
Bobby
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e_dub 11/09/2010 11:10:00 PM
They need to get bikers involved, this whole thing about not allowing bikes is wack and selfish on there part. There is strength in numbers, but they the skaters want to be greedy about this new park, yet they keep asking for help. Not cool, either we all get to use the park or no one gets to use it. You can be sure of that. We the BMX community will do what-ever it takes to make sure we ride, if not, no one will ride and that park is going to get thrash. Seth levy is only thinking of himself, you guys already got the park in the grove, let the bmxers have a park. And all that non-sense about bikes destroying parks is B/S, look at picallo, abacoa,..if anything the metal trucks on boards do more damage. If I was Seth I would reach out and form an alliance!!!!
Strength in numbers!!!!!!!!!!!!
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roger 11/09/2010 10:35:00 PM
It wont be built. The Jewish community is against it = dead project. Like the media itself, Jewish influence is disproportionately strong in Miami to their numbers. They even [paid] a "black" historian to go against the skate park...So good idea. Wont happen though. Try building it next to a Church though, it will be given the OK just as strip clubs are.
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Joeseph Peterson 11/09/2010 9:34:00 PM
Penny Lambeth (who doesn't even live in Miami by the way) says: "He offered to get the skaters to volunteer at the cemetery, and he probably would. But bringing all that concrete to a public park is just not a good idea. Why not take it to a warehouse or an abandoned shopping all or an underpass?"
Penny, would you take your grandkids to a playground in an abandoned shopping mall or under and overpass? Have you ever been under one of the overpasses in Miami except when getting onto 95 from visiting the Arscht Center?
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john 11/09/2010 8:31:00 PM
miami heat over boston and lakers !!