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TPM 07/21/2010 8:51:00 AM
I lived in Lincoln Fields in the 60's, moved to Scott Projects in about 1965, we crossed 15th avenue to get to the Pok N Bean. I had cousins that lived in the Pok N Bean, and the other side of Scott Projects by Poinciana Park Elementary School. We were all young and strong, and some of us were beautiful as we grew up, but I realized at a young age families all lived and survived in different ways, some had Grand parents too, most had no Daddys living with them. Many parents worked, many stayed at home, some got jobs gradually and were never home much after that. We were left with the older kids, some kids were wild and mean you had to either protect yourself from them or you had to be protected. I was protected some time, but I had to become mean and fearless just to keep people off of me. Fear ruled. There were days when we got along, but children, adults and families would have fights. I did not see a lot of killing. After integration I was in the eighth grade, I was bused to Miami Springs. I never cared about school again, and remember only one person caring about us passing. Groups of children that lived across from Poinciana Park were bussed to Westview, the white people chased them down 22nd Avenue on somedays. They never went back to school again, they ran the streets well into their late twenties but before I was 15 years old, I witnessed the first riot, needle using became popular many developed Aids some died before they were 35, by 16 they used the go-bag to get high (sniffered red motor oil) my 17 year old cousin went to prison for 5 years for robbery and came back homosexual, someone killed the the ice cream man, and then the police shot the most handsome bodybuilding teenager in the projects dead, his name was Slaughter, his family moved away. During these years, My beautiful brilliant cousin fell on the rock hard concrete porch in the Pok N Bean project adn three years later died of bone cancer. Technically enclined Luis who could fix radios, drowned in the canal. Shortly after the strongest toughest guy in the neighbor was said to have beat a girl, the police said he hung himself in juvenile detention. After the guys came home from the Vietnam war, I saw the impact of herion and marijuana. They sat around nodding out, I only saw one of the young men working. But they never bothered me. We all got along. We loved Northwestern High, we loved our music, we wanted to be with each other as we grew older. I found a job at movies, restaurants, every summer and bought my clothes and a gold tooth. But when I was young, I swam at Manor Park, Edison and later beautiful Poinciana Park Pool. My mom sent us to the YWCA, I skated in the Pok N Bean every Christmas and hung out with kids when they just wanted to have fun in all of the projects. But it wasnt like that for most children, their houses were not like mine, their Moms spoke different from mine. Now I now it was education that made my mom different. Her Mom died when she was 13, she said she worked for the Jews, she learned to cook their food, and clean their houses before she went to Lindsay for her GED. Janet Reno went after my Dad for child support. Then she kept a car, and we had a telephone and a washer but many did not. I got jobs since I was fifteen. We moved out to 37th Avenue and 199 Street. After we were bussed from Dorsey Jr. Hight school was boring to me too, also it was too late the project lifestyle was in me, and not much else. I had project social skills. I had survived by being fearless, I was proud because of the riots. I was emotional and White American knew this about all of us, but they had caused a great deal of it. But I had a brain, I could pass a test By twelth grade, I was assisting doctors and nurses at Jackson Hospital, a school program. I was hired by the County at 18. I was there when Paulette came in she had been shot in the neck, she never woke up all because she threatened to beat someone up over her boyfriend. My lack of knowledge of life and social skills eventually got the best of me, by the time I graduated from high school, my life began to spiral out of control...... I woke up primarily after two kids, drug addiction, depressed and anxious, few morales and values, and having lost my grip and my good background. Then the cycle of poverty and ignorance came back with a vengence but I refused to become a statistic. My mom had worked, got her GED and began college while I was growing up, too tired to explain what she had learned to me. Today I just want you to know, that the job requirement to speak Spanish is a "unspoken war" since the 1980 riots and is killing us in a different way. We were simply replaced with the Hispanics. Also, that our problems have financed the lives of people and their children in other communities. And also, the way Black Miamians use their words is a dialect like the people who live in New Orleans. Most of us speak that way. The word is that Hialeah wants to take over Liberty City, more profitable to let it be. And if anyone wants to save our children, we need businesses for our people to work in. The private owned business stopped hiring us in the 80's. Just look around when you walk into a doctor's office or private company. A lot of professionals saw us disappearing, they didnt do anything about it, I guess its reataliation for standing us for our civil rights and for the riots, ie colleges flunked us out and advanced other cultures, schools did not sound the alarm, hospitals seemed oblivious, and the rest just think about it you know who they are. They know it too, shame shame shame. A white policelady once told me after noone cares about you....she had a point. We are America's shame. Some escaped many did not.
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Sonny 07/21/2010 2:08:00 AM
I too grew up in Miami, and what is witnessed off 15th decade after decade is definately the City's fault. It's unbeleivable that the City has not focused on ways to unravel the poverty in the area. It's simple, give people jobs and things constructive to do. All the people in Miami that can't land a good job because they don't know spanish will find themselves in these type of environments in Miami. How is it that a person that's a native of Miami for years, can't get a decent paying job, because they can't speak the native language of Cuba? The City doesn't seem to care enought about the details that cause povertyh... At least Krow knows who he is, and is aware of his place in society; and is in his own way atempting to fight against the normal grain of the environment. Sadly, even if the City does decide to fund a program in the area to help, the lead would probably end up being someone who never grew up in that kind of environment... If I had the money I would help this young man help his community. Krow may not have gained the education by traditional methods, but he educates himself everyday by reading. The fundamental basics has helped this guy survive, and he could use that knowledge to help others practively with some help.
Krow is a hero I salute you...
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realitycheck 07/20/2010 8:00:00 PM
Let's stop all this crap about blaming the government for everything and lets call this for what it is... black on black crime. African-Americans need to stop killing each other over stupidity. I know lots of blacks who go to college and get a degree and leave all the negative crap behind. Kudos to the journalist for bringing these events out to the public eye.
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chlorisis carter 07/19/2010 6:52:00 AM
You didn't mention that the so-called Liberty City Seven were running a non=profit called the Universal Divine Saviours and were trying to help people before the FBI entrapped them with undercover agents offering them money for their organization. Law enforcement interfered with the good work they were trying to do to bring up the neighborhood.
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tnt 07/16/2010 6:27:00 PM
To those making negative comments about African Americans and our culture, generalizations and stereotyping can be perceived as ignorant. God-fearing, hard-working, educated, respectful, progressive, positive, and responsible are only some of the characteristics I would use to describe African Americans. There are bad people in all races, to many children and youths living in these communities they are products of negative homes, influences, and/or environments. Do you have solutions? What can we as a city, a state, a country do to save these young people?
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Krow 07/14/2010 10:31:00 PM
Frank focused on murder and mayhem. He wasted line after line detailing murders from 1983-85. He embellished and used my government name without authorization. I discussed other topics of extreme importance to my community, such as, impending gentrification in Liberty City, Brownsville, and Overtown. I talked about the need for mentoring and apprenticeship programs. He gave WonderGirlz, Inc. a few lines and a picture. I appreciate the exposure. Carla is doing quite well with it. oh. and My Mother didn't appreciate being labled "mulatto". Sensationalism? Yellow journalism? All of the above!
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none 07/12/2010 7:23:00 PM
trick daddy has a house in miramar and lives well throwing his parties too.
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Krow's Youngest Sister 07/11/2010 6:57:00 AM
You know, this would have been a pretty decent article had all of the information in this article been conveyed correctly. For one, I was born in 1988- not 1993. And my sister's name is Dimitra not Demitria, or however it was spelled in this article. My parents don't have thee largest house in the world, but its very funny that the reporter condensed the size of it down to two rooms. Bravo!
And my brother, Jimmy didn't get shot in the ass either. Sure he was shot in the arm. And it's horrible that such an atrocity happened that night. I'm sorry that those two guys lost their lives. But I'm also happy that my brother is alive and well today.
Overall, the article is good. But reporters should deliver facts...not information that was plucked from the air. I cannot say that any of the other information was wrong or correct. But the article should be more about the area, not one family.
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rausky79 07/10/2010 9:49:00 PM
As a social worker I have been in the area many times in the 15th Ave area. I would do home visits to see clients. I never had any problems. I remember one deceased client when I visited her for the first time.She walked me from the car to her house and then from her house to the car cause she didn't anything to happen to me as there were as she said armed drug dealers were on the corner and shoot outs would happen when least expected.
It's a shame that the decent working people that live have to put up with these thugs who have destroyed their own neighborhood.The young people in the hood have lost respect for others and themselves. I'm glad I no longer have to go into this neighborhood anymore as I risked my life doing my job to help the less fortunate in the area.
The experiences I had here will always remain with me. Its a shame that people have to live in fear from their own people.
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ANTWAND 07/09/2010 5:40:00 AM
I WAS BORN AND RAISED IN THE PROJECTS 6534 NW 14 CT. IM 37 YRS OLD. THATS 67TH AND 15TH AVE. I HUNG ON 15TH AVE IN THE EARLY 90'S. I SEEN A LOT AND I BEEN BLESSED TO NOT BE ON 15TH AVE EVERYTIME SOMEONE GOT KILLED. I USE TO CATCH THE AFTERMATH. NOW THE NEW GENERATION OUT HERE NOW IS WORST THAN THAT. AT LEAST THEY HAD A LIL RESPECT BACK THEN. THE ONES NOW HAVE NO RESPECT FOR EANYONE. AND WILL SHOOT YOU IN A MIN. THEY DONT BELIEVE IN FIGHTING . I NEVER THOUGHT THAT 15TH AVE WOULD LOOK THE WAY IT DO NOW. IT WAS SO BUSY I NEVER THOUGHT THEY WOULD CLEAR THAT UP LIKE THAT.
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Ward 07/09/2010 12:25:00 AM
Trick graduated from Southridge and used to live in West Homestead "New Buildings".
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My Opinion!! 07/08/2010 2:10:00 AM
They live the way they die. In the ghetto. They have no desire to improve themselves. They rebel against society and what is right. Obscene language is their way of life. Obscene dress is fine with them. Walk around with your pants down? Ugh. They don't make music only loud trashy senseless words. They love violence. They preach violence. They don't mind shooting each other. This is NOT the American way. This is NOT what a good citizen is. They don't care. What comes free is fine. Use and abuse. What goes around comes around.
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beckw 07/08/2010 2:01:00 AM
I couldn't have said this better myself.. here it is... thank you for telling the TRUTH!
MESSAGE:
by ghetto 07/07/2010 6:27:59 AM
Blah, blah, blah....killings, drugs, illegitimate children are all part of African American culture. It is glorified in their music and the people they idolize. Instead of blaming their own people who act like animals and the "hip hop" stars that promote it, they blame the government and the rest of society for discriminating against them. Is it any wonder that the rest of society doesn't want to live around people who don't raise their children, call their women "ho's", cover healthy teeth in gold, walk around with their underwear hanging out, and cannot speak the English language (i.e., let me "aks" you something instead of "ask").
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Chikita 07/07/2010 10:26:00 PM
I feel that alot a
good soul has been loss, due the violent on 15ave. My address was 1500 NW 68th ave, just like, Krow, I have seen it all too, with such my young age, its true will get suck in, have sold whatever ata young age, so not knowing the hell I was doing, but seening so many death at young age, I wanted to get out,with do you do when both parent are on drugs, you just had to get it the best way, therefor; I just wanted better for myself, it just LIKE LIKE LIVING HELL, I too loss a my oldest brother, due to a violent death, I THINK THAT HIS FRIENDS SET HIM UP TO BE KILL (TYRONE HUBBERT, OVERKILL HIM LIKE A DOG.........
which to this DAY.....UNSOLVE.....there so many people and family I know Share so many pain and heartache, I just wish my community can come to peace....I THOUGHT THAT I WILL SHARE MY STORY TOO, THERE SO MUCH TO SAY
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07/07/2010 8:57:00 PM
Dave, ignorance is a lack of knoweledge. The words in the song refer to women as:hoes, hoochie mommas,and bitch in the first three sentences. That would mean that you are the ignorant fool. I bet, besides ignorant, you also say situation, you know what I'm saying, and axe. I wonder what nayionality you are. Beaten with facts again.
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07/07/2010 8:49:00 PM
Dave, You are so right. These words aren't offensive. Give me your mom's # and I will sing these to her. Open your eyes meathead. You have terrible role models.
Big booty hoes hop wit it!
Hoochie mamas hop wit it!
Let me see ya touch the ground
I don't know ya reputation
but all the niggas in the hood say it's all good
but the bitch ain't shit, so ya need to make a switch
Smackin on ya lips with your hands on your hips
Trife and slimy, don't try me
Playin on the phone, you supposed to be grown
Bitch stop lyin, I ain't wit it
Keep runnin ya mouth and I'ma stick my dick in it
Hoochie hoodrat needs ho trainin
Ghetto ass always complainin
Tryin ta clown in front of my friends
By the way bitch, can I get those ends?
Fuck the asterisk you ain't no actress
Lay low the mattress, let a nigga scrag it
The bitch is full of dram
Hoochie hoodrat is a ho like a mom
Chorus 1:
She ain't nothin but a hoochie mama
Hoodrat hoodrat hoochie mama!
Yeah, she ain't nothin but a hoochie mama
Hoodrat hoodrat hoochie mama!
*repeat*
Ho I love ya big brown eyes
and the way you shake your thighs
Acting like your so damn cute
Let a real nigga just knock them boots
I don't need no confrontation
All I want is an ejaculation
Cos I like them ghetto hoochies
One-two-light, pop that coochie
(Hoo wee!) Mommy style
Makin niggas smile, bitch get wild
Cos freaky shit is what I like
and I love to see two bitches dyke
My favourite job is 69
Bitch you know it's coochie time
Fuck what you heard and save ya drama
All I want is my hoochie mama
Chorus 2: (x4)
You ain't nothin but a hoochie mama
Hoodrat hoodrat hoochie mama!
Mama just don't understand
why I love your hoochie ass
Sex is what I need you for
I gotta good girl but I need a whore
I like my bitch promiscous
Hot in the ass and ready to fuck
Foreplay your way, all way my way
Trick a freak and I hit it on Friday
Girl you know ya look so cute
Ridin round town in ya Daisy Duke
Come on over for a visit
Let a nigga ride in ya Civic
Cos I like them ghetto hoochies
One who got them big ol' booties
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flako 07/07/2010 8:21:00 PM
you know the worst part about all this, it was probably over some shit that was easly could've hav been taken care of?But we all no how people take reality into there own hand's.Much love to all LOSTSOUL'S of the world!!!!to all who hav lost or will lose a loved one ,keep your head up. Stay strong.WAT UP B-MORE hAhA that the old stomping ground.PEACE TO ALL STAY HIGH!@!#%$%^&((*&
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Melissa 07/07/2010 8:16:00 PM
Thank you Greg! I guess if you move to the city after Hurricane Andrew that automatically makes you born and raised there????? Who does that?????
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David 07/07/2010 8:13:00 PM
Hey Kirk, you ignorant fool... 2liveCrew was all about the women... they never glorified their neighbors, parents and friends being murdered you fuckin imbecile
As to the problems in the neighborhood, Krow was right about it... ignorance, pride, poverty and ego... they know no better... if they did, you think they'd be doing this? Also, take note... the killers are an exception rather than the rule in the area... while there is a much higher percentage of murders, the vast majority of the people are still good hardworking people...
Great article... gave me an excellent understanding of this warzone going on just a few miles from my home
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nevergetcaught! 07/07/2010 7:41:00 PM
Contemporary usage of the term varies greatly, and the broader sense of the term makes its application rather subjective, as not all people of mixed white and black ancestry choose to self-identify as mulatto.[2] Some reject the term because of its association with slavery and colonial and racial oppression, preferring terms such as "mixed", "biracial", "mixed-race", and "multiracial".
I copy and pasted this. Isn't that what journalists do?
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kirkslade 07/07/2010 7:38:00 PM
Didn't 2LiveCrew brag about this life style? Doesn't Luther Campbell A.K.A.sellout, spineless, pussy, write for this paper?
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ghetto 07/07/2010 6:27:00 PM
Blah, blah, blah....killings, drugs, illegitimate children are all part of African American culture. It is glorified in their music and the people they idolize. Instead of blaming their own people who act like animals and the "hip hop" stars that promote it, they blame the government and the rest of society for discriminating against them. Is it any wonder that the rest of society doesn't want to live around people who don't raise their children, call their women "ho's", cover healthy teeth in gold, walk around with their underwear hanging out, and cannot speak the English language (i.e., let me "aks" you something instead of "ask").
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Greg 07/07/2010 4:35:00 PM
To set the record straight, Trick Daddy was not born on 15th AVE.
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dee morales 07/07/2010 4:12:00 AM
its sad to read about things that happend in the city. its just the way kids are being brought up. we are living in hard time and parent are forced to work longer hours the kids end up being alone at times do to the parents not having enough income to pay for the programs such as for summer vacation. there just not enough progarms for the kids to do. the parents need to get involved more in their kids life.
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E R P 07/07/2010 2:54:00 AM
I lived on 15th Ave and 62 Ter. doing the 60's. It was nothing like what is describe in this article today. My family sold the house about 5 years ago.Sad but true, we knew we would never live in the area again. Back in the 50's and 60's, 15th Av, had everything from a Movie theatre to a Dairy Queen, where the Blizzard's ice cream treats were the best. It was a village, where everyone cared about the community.