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01/29/2012 1:35:00 AM
"None of you can say for a fact that the animal wants to have sex with you."←I can, with 100% certainty. Wana do the test? Get naked and bend over for my boyfriend, and let him do the rest. By the way, he is a labrador. You will end with a sore ass but you will learn that he wanted to have sex. :)
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01/29/2012 1:31:00 AM
You are a perfect example of what a bigot is.
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01/29/2012 1:26:00 AM
"these sort sick idiots should be delt with animal cruelty on the highest level"←Consensual bestiality does not fall under animal abuse laws because consensual bestiality do not harm the animal in any way. Animal abuse laws already take care of people who has abusive sex with animals.
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01/29/2012 1:25:00 AM
"These Zoos are mentally ill people. "←According to psychologists, zoophilia is rarely a disorder. According to the DSM-5 consensus, paraphilia (like zoophilia) are not always disorder, a person can be a zoophile or even a pedophile and be totally healthy, not a treat to anyone.
"I`m shore many serial killers have had these kind of thoughts."←I'm sure many serial killers where also heterosexuals and homosexuals and bisexuals, so what is your point? If you r point is that serial killers can have any sexual orientation, then I agree with you.
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01/29/2012 1:22:00 AM
"Any human who thinks of animals as sex partners is a threat to society"←Exactly how are we a threat to society? Society has existed for thousands of years, and so poeple who has relationship with aniamls, our private sex lives has no effect on society.
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01/29/2012 1:20:00 AM
"depraved, immoral, reprobate sick"←All those are 100% subjective, to other people they are not depraved and not immoral and not reprobate sick.
"who break natural law"←Such law does not exist. If anything, it would be OK by nature as hundreds of species do interspecies sex, can't be more natural than that.
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01/29/2012 1:18:00 AM
Animals are still legally considered property, a person can only have sex with his property unless you allow the person to have sex with your property.
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01/29/2012 1:08:00 AM
Inanimate objects can sing a consent agreement so they can't marry you.
Only idiots view USA as the "the great satan" so why should you or anyone care about their opinion?
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01/29/2012 1:03:00 AM
"Man and Beast were never meant to have sexual relations with eachother"←So what? Humans where never meant to go to space and yet we did it.
"It's a vile and criminal act against nature herself. "←Is only criminal if the animal is forced or abused. It is also a natural act, hundreds of species do interspecies sex, how can it be a natural crime when so many other species do the same in NATURE?
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BITE IT 11/23/2011 5:48:00 AM
"Indeed, for committing this ultimate taboo, people have been jailed, tortured, and executed, but until the recent wave of legislation, Western culture has let humiliation and social ostracism act as the primary deterrents." Weren't the homosexuals jailed, tortured, -executed- for such behavior? I'm usually siding with the underdog (pun!) so, BITE ME AND GET YOUR HEADS OUT OF YOUR BUTTS. All people say is that they're open minded and love 'has no boundries'. Why can't they love their pet dog. Why is it your business anway? You're so disgusted about it, right? Then why read the article? Everybody is being stupid about it. Mark my undocumented words: Wether it be 2 weeks from now or 200 years from now, bestality will be excepted just as homosexuality was (in some areas, the U.S. is still being d*cks about it).
Burn.
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Killer-T 11/04/2011 6:50:00 AM
Man and Beast were never meant to have sexual relations with eachother. It's a vile and criminal act against nature herself.
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NightStik 04/05/2011 6:43:00 AM
It's funny: read through these comments, except replace every instance of "zoophile" or "bestialist" or semantic equivalent with "homosexual", and then replace every instance of "homosexual" with "heterosexual". It's just like the 60s!
Bonus points for replacing "zoophile" with "queer" or "faggot" to make yourselves feel better.
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Cougress 11/09/2010 11:03:00 PM
Hmmm, well all I can say is it's only a matter of time...
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tharlaine noel 05/25/2010 2:58:00 AM
i mean i don't know what to think i just think this is very wierd and disterbing in so many ways.and i don't know how someone can be atracted to dog and horse sexually.i mean there filfy in so many ways,but its the person's choice not my,and i believe that if you love something you should fight for it so thats what the person is doing right.and even though i don't like it,that doesn't mean that someday that could be my own kid.which means i would have to execpt his or her feelings.
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eliasegraywolf 05/11/2010 11:20:00 AM
i would like to meet a women that has sex with dogs in denver, colorado
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ryan long 10/28/2009 7:56:00 PM
the story of the boy and the dolfin was truely touching. their is such a strugle for people who have a loveing consentual relationship with their pets. society only lables it bad because they dont understand sex is just another way to show loving afection.it is not always the human that iniceates this behavyour. I myself have a simalar story involving my wife and a beloved horse I had raised and trained for sevral years. still after a year I feal broken hearted. my wife left me becaus her frends and family could not accept the idea of her having a loving cosentual relationship with boath me and our horse zepher.
she loved me and zepher but she was always afrade of what would hapen if people found out. she left me after her mother and her best friend joined togather to convince her the dangers of horse sex and how sick i was for involving her in it. I lost my wife and the love we shared. only because people cant understand consentual love with another being.
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JOJO 09/19/2009 3:52:00 AM
This guy needs to be put to death.
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Onus MacKenesey 09/18/2009 2:02:00 AM
Wow! What a thinly veiled attempt to blur the lines between issues, MNT! This style of "journalism" always gives me a chuckle.
Thanks for the laughs!
Onus MacKenesey
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bowser 09/17/2009 9:18:00 AM
being a zoo is RUFF!
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A.J. Foyte 09/17/2009 4:30:00 AM
I made love to my Chevy's tailpipe, and ended up exhausted!
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Jon 09/17/2009 4:00:00 AM
Keeping an animal as a sex slave? That's no good. Let me put it this way. Imagine if a huge grizzly bear captured you and used you as a sexual play thing. You wouldn't be able to say no because you can't speak bear.
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Willy 09/17/2009 3:47:00 AM
May Malcolm Brenner "sleep wit the fishes!" Ha! Ha! ha!
No hate mail please!
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Rin Tin Tin 09/17/2009 3:37:00 AM
Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha!
I knew it would come to this! These people really want to be on the "Gravy Train"! I feel an attraction for my house....can I marry it?? I wonder why polygamy is against the law!!! Anyway, this country gets weirder by the minute!
What a bunch of crazies!! Maybe this is why we're viewed as "the great satan"!
We're going down hard....really hard!!
America....R.I.P.
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Bob 09/17/2009 3:07:00 AM
I knew it. They're trying to pass legal rights so people can have sex with your pet dog or horse too. This website predicted the future pretty well:
http://www.dabestofdaweb.com/Home/2009/humor/horse-sex-hate-crime/
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Mr. Charlie 09/16/2009 10:23:00 PM
The one thing queers and animal fuckers have in common is that both groups are composed of depraved, immoral, reprobate sick individuals who break natural law in order to satisfy their basest and most perverse lusts. Sick disgusting fucks the lot of them!
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Dirk Diggler 09/16/2009 10:20:00 PM
Sick f*cking weirdo. PERIOD!
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Harv 09/16/2009 9:12:00 PM
Where do you think the old term "cowpoke" came from?
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Arthur Massucco 09/16/2009 8:06:00 PM
Society just gets more disgusting each year. "Civilization" is not progressing. Maybe someday it will be acceptable to naturally relieve ourselves at hydrants like the dogs do. I predict doom and gloom and prefer to lead an asocial life where, except for family and few friends, I interact with society only to the extent necessary for a comfortable survival. Many people are destined to drown in their own garbage, and they deserve it.
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T.S. 09/16/2009 7:02:00 PM
Any human who thinks of animals as sex partners is a threat to society and should be put into a psychiatric ward for evaluation.
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Tommy 09/16/2009 5:54:00 PM
These Zoos are mentally ill people. this is sick and reading it has made me feel like vomiting.These people should be locked up. I`m shore many serial killers have had these kind of thoughts. I don`t know why this article was ever written and this is a non issue. Its not progression its insane.
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sandy 09/16/2009 5:31:00 PM
These are a sick sick units where the hell do these people come from this world where in is getting worse these sort sick idiots should be delt with animal cruelty on the highest level
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Katz Freedman 09/16/2009 5:30:00 PM
This article sickens me. It also makes me very angry to see you promote such sick fantasy and reality. Those who think this is acceptable should be in jail.
I have zero tolerance for this level of perversion. You can try to mainstream this, but it is sick, beyond comprehension.
I think you are trying to make gays look badly. How dare you stick this subject in with the gay movement?
Maybe you need to be seeing a shrink.
It appears you are one of these sickies, as you give them truck, and time.
I am going to call my congressman and demand federal legislation to make this a felony, since there are so many sickos around like yourself.
I'm really angry at this article.
Such trife, such perversion should never be tolerated in any decent society. Tell your "zoo" fans that they are hated, and they better not dare to come out.
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Ira Cohen 09/16/2009 5:29:00 PM
When will they ever learn..
1) When something is _taboo_ it immediately becomes an order of magnitude hotter.
2) If it's taboo, you can be sure somewhere there's a politician doing it.
3) When the social taboo isn't enough to overcome being jaded, danger is the next step up to getting a thrill.
4) When politicians draft legislation to outlaw things, it's out of self interest. "Helping the constituents" = re-election.
Conclusion: Our country is run by a pack of hypocritical freaks for their own perversions*.
*beyond sex
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Richard 09/16/2009 12:57:00 PM
I'm not even going to comment on whether or not bestiality can one day be as accepted as homosexuality in this country, but this article started off as Mr. Beck "throwing that out there" to "blow the minds" of his enemies and detractors because he is openly bisexual. In other words, he was not a "zoophile", but merely trying to menace those who teased him or otherwise treated him poorly.
Nevertheless, by the second half of the first page of this article, Mr. Beck is referred to as openly "zoophile". This is very confusing and misleading to the readers, and should be cleared up, either by the writer, or Mr. Beck himself.
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Mike 09/16/2009 12:00:00 PM
Amerika because of it's evil ways will soon be totally destroyed.
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malachi 09/16/2009 4:42:00 AM
WHOSE RESPONSIBLE THIS?!!
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you're sickos 09/16/2009 3:14:00 AM
You fools are sick in the head. None of you can say for a fact that the animal wants to have sex with you. Did the animal hit on you? Did it take your clothes off and mount you? Did it ask you out on a date?
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bljr 09/16/2009 2:53:00 AM
I think the gay community is trying to hard to seperate itself fron the animal lovers. The two types of perversions here are not that indifferent.
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Mike 09/15/2009 5:50:00 PM
The simple fact is this: zoophilia/bestiality/ call it what you will/ is a MORAL issue. It is not a psychological issue. It is likely not even a health issue.
If you have no basis for Morality, then sex with animals is not a problem.
The only MORAL law that everyone seems to agree on is expressed by the Wiccan Rede: An' it harm none, do what thou wilt. IE: do whatever you want, as long as you don't hurt anyone in the process. Of course, the next question to follow is: what's wrong about hurting others? It's a slippery slope into solipsism.
What's truly amusing is watching those who support homosexuality condemn zoophilia based on nothing more than their own "moral" repugnance - that and the fear their own lifestyle choices will be lumped in with the animal lovers. The simple fact is this: the arguments used to justify homosexuality are exactly the same and completely applicable to zoophiliacs as well.
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ConcretelyAmbiguous 09/09/2009 6:30:00 PM
Wow I'm speechless. Since I can't talk.
I BET YOU CAN'T DO THIS!
New list every Monday!
http://concretelyambiguous.com/category/i-bet-you-cant/
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Dr James D Smith 09/08/2009 10:41:00 PM
SO GAY ZOOPHILES ARE NOT ALLOWED TO 'MARRY'?
I think that's highly discriminative!
http://video.yahoo.com/watch/4039897/10922575
They 'DON'T' promote bestiality (aka animal rape, though EFA does accept bestialists that mistakenly call themselves 'bestialists' by the dictionary definition, but are 'zoophile').
I think the webmaster changed 'bestialists' to 'zoosadists' in their membership policy... Yes, they have!
But honestly, when we say 'bestiality' we don't mean 'zoosex' or 'zoosexuality', we mean 'zoosadism / rape / having no love for your mate'.
Most of us have to say we believe 'monogamy' is not quite 'mandatory' but much more 'ethical'? You know 'jealousy strikes' and all that 'argumentive' abuse with polygamy. Bad blooded polygamy can be very bad for even interspecific relationships. No one likes favourtism :D!
I hear you all.
Live well, fellow zoosexuals, together (whatever background) we'll make it!
Equality for all!
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jason 09/05/2009 11:56:00 PM
homosexuality is worse than beastiality. The animal cannot help being an animal but a human has the rational mind not to commit aberrant behaviors.
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Michael 08/31/2009 4:22:00 PM
For those of you who may want to see 'COMING SOON' - The film that sparked a Bestiality-Rights revolution (mentioned in Thomas' original article) you can now download it through Amazon.com's Video On Demand.
To rent it go here: http://www.amazon.com/COMING-SOON-Sir-Tijn-NTSC/dp/B002LPFV1K/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=digital-video&qid=1251661309&sr=1-1
To purchase it go here: http://www.amazon.com/COMING-SOON-Sir-Tijn-NTSC/dp/B002LPMXRU/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=digital-video&qid=1251661309&sr=1-2
To get the DVD go here: http://www.amazon.com/COMING-SOON-Sir-Tijn-Po/dp/B001CB154G/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1215720554&sr=8-1
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Jerry 08/27/2009 3:28:00 PM
Also, if a person like Nan Rich claims that she has a principle but then abuses it, it's like not really believing in that principle.
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Jerry 08/27/2009 3:17:00 PM
Bernard Unti doesn't even like for people to own animals, so he can go and defecate in his headgear. Most of the people who hate zoophiles so bad are either in the closet and tapping it themselves or are animal rights cranks who want all of our domesticated animals dead.
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Woofy Dog 08/26/2009 3:34:00 AM
A lot of the closed minded people responding to this article seem to be missing the point. Zoophilia itself is a deep love for an animal of a different species, sex is merely a bonus in such a relationship, not the whole thing. There are people out there who have sex with an animal but couldn't give a hoot about the animal, or don't feel the deep love with an animal, they are not zoophiles.
I think other zoophiles would agree with me when I say, we merely wish to be protected against nosey people, and accidental discovery. Wide spread acceptance, or just tolerance would be great, but not critical to being able to be who we are away from public eyes.
I'm sure the nay sayers would find much pleasure in the fact that many zoophiles have likely taken their own lives because they couldn't cope with being a zoophile. One thing that would displease those same people, is that animals have on ocasion also saved the lives of zoophiles, either through physical action, or showing a zoophile that they could love an animal.
The common assumption that zoophilia is the easy way out of human relationships is pure bullshit. If anything, it's the hard way out, and all the closed minded people out there make it so. Now, one would have to think that there must be a genuine love there, for who would willingly turn themselves into something others hate if it was just about getting their rocks off?
You know something? I am a zoophile, deeply in love with my canine partner, but yet, we have never, and never can, have sex, because in my partner's case it would be harmful. My partner is too small for sex, but yet I feel a deeper, more fulfilling love for her, than any woman I've ever been with. I also happen to find her quite sexually attractive, more so than any woman I've ever seen, yet I don't abuse her by trying to have sex with her. And if that's sick, you can take a long walk off a short pier.
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JW 08/26/2009 2:08:00 AM
I can completely understand the gay community not wanting to be a source of support for this. There is absolutely no comparison between the relationship of two humans and the relationship between a human and an animal.
The fact that a human is sexually attracted to another species means nothing except that they have a fetish.
I am quite certain that if you were to take one of these "loved" animals (lets use a male dog as an example) and put it in a room with the human who loves it and a bitch in heat, it will go for the bitch and not even be aware that the human exists.
Yes, we love our animals, I dearly love my pets. I can even see how someone young might interpret that to mean sexual love, particularly during the years of their sexual development. But to make it an open and acceptable behavior? I think not.
There are people who get great sexual satisfaction with eating feces. That doesn't mean it should be on restaurant menus.
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cak 08/25/2009 2:56:00 AM
You know at one time oral sex, anal sex, and bigamy was all outlawed. Some place you was put to dead on either of them. Now some states has put same sex marrieds lawful. So If they jail the zoos, what keeps them from going back to the dark ages and get the gays. They have put a number of people in jail for haveing more then one wife just in the last year.
I knew a lay who had a dog and it was around other people. But when they got by them self it would knock her down to get to her. So I think in some cases, the pet knows very well what they want and who.
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Lex 08/24/2009 9:04:00 PM
As a member of EFA I received an email linking to this article. I'm very pleased with how it turned out.
Zoophiles are genuinely in love with their animal partners, and love is never something that should punished. I urge the zoo community to stand together and support one another in the years to come.
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Lory 08/24/2009 6:09:00 PM
OMG...I consider myself to be a fairly openminded person but this is just wrong! First of all, it's sick to be attracted to animals. I love my pets but not to have sex with them. Good Lord! And, how can anyone compare beastiality to homosexuality? That makes no sense to me. That boy is a sicko and the reporter should not be writing about it as it this is normal behavior. It's sick sick sick...and I pray anyone reading this article doesn't rush out to "do a dog" thinking it's cool....It's NOT COOL.
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Zoophile 08/24/2009 4:11:00 AM
RE: Zoophilia and health risks/diseases.
Sorry... this 'humans are the clean and animals are dirty' rhetoric doesn't hold up at all. STD's are almost exclusively limited to humans- other primates being an exception. Most STD's can't even survive in non primate species- and in fact the only way your could contract a legitimate STD from an animal- is if a human with the STD was just intimate with the same animal before you where.
That said- there are some non STD nasties you can catch from animals- no need for abnormal contact to catch those though...
If you'd bothered to to do even a quick goggle search, you would have turned up this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoophilia_and_health
Which will confirm everything I've said, with legitimate sources.
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Glenn61 08/23/2009 7:44:00 PM
Quote:
*And the times and places it has been overlooked has caused social disaster for those societies with the introduction of bacterias and viruses that spread from the assholes of dogs, sheep, horses, pigs and the like to humans through the crossover of sex to humans with someone who previously engaged in bestiality.*
I would like to see where you get your info on this.I have never seen an a study done linking diseases to human-animal sexual contact. These days with unwanted pregnancy and the high risk of STDS between humans it seems to me finding a sexual partner outside of your species would be a lot safer. These days if you want to have sex with a person you almost have to wrap yourself in a few layers of plastic and demand a stack of blood tests.
Comment by John on Aug 22nd, 2009, 12:25 pm
Reply to John....
John,,,where do you think bacterium like Syphilis and Gonorrhea and chlamydia started,,and the HIV virus originated in monkeys and spread to humans from blood to blood contact by people killing, cleaning and eating primates.
And Herpes likely evolved from similar origins.
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Malcolm J. Brenner 08/23/2009 11:07:00 AM
Because, MM, an inflatable doll can't give informed consent!
What kind of monster do you take me for, sir?
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M.M. 08/23/2009 8:36:00 AM
The New Times must be desperate for readers if they allowed this garbage of an article to be published. This article was beyond ridiculous. This Malcolm Brenner must be a peculiar character. Ummm, seduced by a dolphin, that's a first.
Each type I encounter a dog, male or female, they always cuddle up to my legs til I scratch their backs. According to Malcolm, the dogs are trying to seduce me / entice me into a sexual affair. Hmmm, those little fuckers.
Question Malcolm, did you use the rubber when you 'splashed the dolphin'? Is there such a thing as maritime STDs? If you and the dolphin conceived a love child, would it be a mermaid? Would you name it Ariel (such a pretty name)? Have you ever done it with male dolphin? I've heard that Orca whales need to have their schlongs massaged routinely. Would you volunteer? The Orcas are mightily hung.
Instead of harming a dolphin, why not buy an inflatable doll?
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Hugh Jass 08/23/2009 12:01:00 AM
To save you time searching on Google: http://2guys1horse.com/
People are posting reaction videos to this video on youtube and it's approaching "2 girls 1 cup status"
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John 08/22/2009 10:25:00 PM
*And the times and places it has been overlooked has caused social disaster for those societies with the introduction of bacterias and viruses that spread from the assholes of dogs, sheep, horses, pigs and the like to humans through the crossover of sex to humans with someone who previously engaged in bestiality.*
I would like to see where you get your info on this.I have never seen an a study done linking diseases to human-animal sexual contact. These days with unwanted pregnancy and the high risk of STDS between humans it seems to me finding a sexual partner outside of your species would be a lot safer. These days if you want to have sex with a person you almost have to wrap yourself in a few layers of plastic and demand a stack of blood tests.
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Glenn61 08/22/2009 7:18:00 PM
Bestiality has been deemed wrong since day one in human history.
And the times and places it has been overlooked has caused social disaster for those societies with the introduction of bacterias and viruses that spread from the assholes of dogs, sheep, horses, pigs and the like to humans through the crossover of sex to humans with someone who previously engaged in bestiality.
Besides, it's animal abuse....
Cody is right on the level with the weirdos who like to eat feces, he should lock himself away in a cabin some where in the remote wilderness if he's into having intercourse with animals.
Hey Cory,,,if you're reading this, you are one nasty little bastard...!
I hope you get attacked by the next dog you try to rape, or get shot by the owner of your next horse interest.
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Malcolm J. Brenner 08/22/2009 1:30:00 PM
No, man, I'm in the Zoophile Zone!
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arale norimaki 08/22/2009 4:21:00 AM
Kinda weird? You're in the bestiality business, dude.
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Michael Miller 08/22/2009 1:16:00 AM
The film, COMING SOON, mentioned towards the end of the article is still streming for free here: http://www.comingsoon.cz.
Watch it while you can!!!
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Zoophile 08/22/2009 12:23:00 AM
I have to say, re-reading the article, it's remarkably open minded- perhaps even president setting as a news story. Truthfully, reading comments like some of the initial ones here can get me chomping at the bit to be offended by anything that might support such arrogance, and worse yet, the persecution of my orientation. It's hard to completely deny such instincts. My offence over the inclusion of the bunk research data was unfounded, the author handled it well and put it mostly in context- and the fact that laws are being passed based on such sudo-research makes it a very relevant topic. So- due apologies to the author.
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Dr C 08/21/2009 10:34:00 PM
Correction: It is a zoophile that deeply loves and is committed to their 'mates', not a bestialist. A bestialist is only concerned with what they want...
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Dr C 08/21/2009 10:31:00 PM
*shakes head and sighs deeply* 'Humanity' continually amazes me. What other species is so concerned with who is being intimate with who or what? As long as there is no abuse and exploitation present what is the issue? It's okay to murder an animal, dismember it and eat its body but to embrace one as a spiritual equal, yet different is 'cruel'? PL-EASE! At best people are challenged to say 'it's not for me, but your love life is your own to express as you see fit'.
Sex in and of itself is NOT abuse, contrary to much of the tripe peddled by the parasitic human religious institutions. For someone to speak so boldly regarding something that they lack objective knowledge and experience in is ludicrous!
There is a difference between a bestialist and a zoophile! The former deeply loves and cherishes their 'mates' while the latter simply indulges their desires regardless of their partners denial. Sadly too many people involved with animals that call themselves zoophiles are beastialists.
There is NOTHING as disquieting as a religious zealot is. This is THE worst form of fascism IMO! A careful examination of human history validates that the worst atrocities committed by humans against each other and the unbridled desecration of the earth has been done in the name of 'God'. Humans are NOT the 'Holy Grail' of spiritual manifestation despite the rhetoric espoused by religious writings. Those that choose to embrace such tripe without question ascribe to the wholesale abdication of personal accountability and responsibility.
If people are going to comment on topics like this an unbiased, objective perspective on things rather than blind, ignorant rhetoric as a mindless minion of 'morality' is called for. In an ideal, loving, non-judgmental world one should be permitted to live a life free from the harassment and persecution of blind, zealous 'moralists' who would be so bold as to speak on behalf of 'God'.
Humanity has a LONG road ahead of them unless unbridled ignorance leads it to its own, well earned, demise...
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Malcolm J. Brenner 08/21/2009 9:10:00 PM
Orally? No. Tasteless.
Other orifices? Wouldn't know, haven't tried.
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Kanye 08/21/2009 7:39:00 PM
Does anybody here like fish-sticks?
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Pony 08/21/2009 2:10:00 PM
Helen, the fact you keep coming back to this article that you are so "disgusting of" and the way you vent your opinion says more then enough. Going further in discussion with you is not only pointless since you can only shout and over use your CAPS lock, but you won't listen to anything me (or anyone) has to say about it otherwise. And I think the article did it already pretty well, so I will just start repeating myself anyway. I never mind having discussions to those who are against it actually. In fact, I had many fruitful discussions with people who are against it who could still communicate in a normal and non emotional manner and thus keeping the discussion constructive. That said, I will refrain from lowering myself to your level and stop right here, wishing you a happy life with just one piece of good advice on my way out: just leave the damn article alone and go on with your life if it bothers you all that much! ;)
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Mike 08/21/2009 6:44:00 AM
Here's why Miami Shores "simple" argument isn't one at all: "consenting adults" includes ALL CONSENTING ADULT MAMMALS.
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Zoophile 08/21/2009 5:35:00 AM
Another thing- Although I sincerely commend you on the general open mindedness and indeed journalistic bravery considering the subject matter in this article, personally, I find the beginning rather offensive.
The exact same standards and practices that are used in that 'research' of "inmates convicted of serious sexual crimes", could be used so show that heterosexual christens are unequivocally the most likely to commit violent sexual crimes.
If you read it, you'll find modern research exposes the absolute fraud of any scientific basis of 'general conclusions' on bestiality by "criminologists" in those studies; And the fact that the study was on bestiality- and NOT zoophilia is further reason it's not appropriate at all as a discussion point, much less the opening discussion point, when reporting on the subject of zoophilia. Zoophilia is not bestiality anymore then Homosexuality is anal rape.
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Zoophile 08/21/2009 4:15:00 AM
As has been mentioned zoophilia is classified by the DSM-IV as a "paraphillia not otherwise specified". Like LGBT "It alone" is no longer classified as an illness or disorder. Also like LGBT (though arguably much worse) the social and cultural stigma of being born with a minority sexual orientation- that can and does sometimes lead to many real illness's/disorders in itself. Witness in these comments, that very stigma, the unfounded frothing hatred that ignores all facts. In some of the first comments- zoo's 'rape' animals- zoo's are pedophiles... Just forget that the most current and thorough genuine scientific research blows these falsehoods out of the water. Ignore the article text where it correctly explains that Zoo's abhor genuine animal abuse and would never bring harm to their partners. Ignore even the most basic premise within yourself that when your [b]in love[/b] with someone, the last thing on this earth you'd do is harm them. No- fact is Zoo's disgust most people- and there's no more logic needed- so people just consider them 'not human', and then move on to bashing them cause it makes them feel better about themselves.
Like it or not, Zoophilia is a real minority sexual orientation- and as much as the LGBT crowd (understandably) dislike the comparison, the logic that defines their orientations as such, is the same logic that defines Zoophilia as an orientation. Hani Meletzki correctly realises you cannot logically define one while denying the other.
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Malcolm Brenner 08/21/2009 3:45:00 AM
Gee, Berny, let's see what the Bible says! In Leviticus 20:15, 16 we read:
"If a man mates with an animal, he shall surely be put to death and you shall kill the animal.
If a woman approaches any animal and mates with it, you shall kill the woman and the animal. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood is upon them."
I guess Jehovah isn't a member of PETA, huh? Let's just chalk this one up to the savage customs of a bronze age people, along with child sacrifice and genital mutilation (Abraham), giving one's virgin daughters to an unruly mob (Genesis 19:8) and sending a bear to kill some kids who called his prophet "Baldy" (Elijah).
Jehovah is the archetype of the abusive father � he demands your love but gives you nothing but grief in return (Job) and if you don't obey him, he'll kill your firstborn children, turn your rivers to blood and send a plague of frogs on your country (Exodus).
I can't even respect a god like that, much less worship one. See you in Hell, sucker! (Don't try to accuse me of being anti-Semitic, I'm not and my father was a Jew.)
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Helen 08/21/2009 1:32:00 AM
"pony" boy in Amsterdam?? Are you kidding me? FREAKAZOID. This is animal abuse, plain and simple. Gross. Not to be compared with anything consenting ADULTS do together. Perhaps you are sensitive because you like a pony here and there. If you feel like having intercourse with an animal you have some serious issues and frankly are a danger to society. KEY DIFFERENCE: CONSENTING ADULTS VS. ABUSING AN ANIMAL BY FORCING IT TO HAVE SEX WITH YOU. I read this discusting article alright and It's beyond offensive. Any loony with sexual perversity will now consider this a cause to go mainstream and compare it to civil rights gay people do not have. NO COMPARISON IDIOT! Please stay in AMSTERDAM, and off yourself already....please.
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Karma 08/20/2009 7:51:00 PM
"It is very hard to imagine a human being having sex with animals and thinking that it is perfectly normal. Lets go beyond the argument that is it legal or illegal. It is definitely immoral from a bibical standpoint! I am almost allways of the opinion that people can do as they wish in their own private lives but this is truly disgusting!"
"Normal" is a statistical expression and has nothing to do with right or wrong. "Biblical" is a religious Christian expression that has no weight among those who don't share your belief.
And if what I see as disgusting is grounds for me to say "it is WRONG" then I'm sorry, you can't eat tomatoes anymore.
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Berny 08/20/2009 6:16:00 PM
It is very hard to imagine a human being having sex with animals and thinking that it is perfectly normal. Lets go beyond the argument that is it legal or illegal. It is definitely immoral from a bibical standpoint! I am almost allways of the opinion that people can do as they wish in their own private lives but this is truly disgusting!
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Tol' 08/20/2009 2:31:00 PM
Thing is, this ain't some kind of gateway lifestyle. You simply are, or you aren't. I for one would like to see more research done on this, yet another facet to the human psyche.
To assume a "zoo" is going to "start liking children" (seriously, c'mon?) is just as bad as saying homosexuals will, it isn't some kind of progressive "illness."
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Luke Anders 08/20/2009 2:19:00 PM
I think it's disgraceful that these people call themselves 'zoos'. That term is reserved for places (aka "zoological gardens") where families (including children!!!) can have a nice day out, looking at the lions and tigers and bears.
I work for a zoological garden in London and I'm worried that people might confuse us for zoophiles. I don't want visitors thinking I'm in the coyote enclosure playing with their genitals when I'm ACTUALLY repairing the electric fence.
Zoophiles evidentally don't have any consideration for people. Maybe that's why they have to resort to sex with animals.
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Pony 08/20/2009 1:57:00 PM
I wonder or Helen and John have even read the article.
Typical small minded responses that just make me shake my head, but I've read it all before time and time over again.
Personally I totally agree and understand why the "gay sector" doesn't want to do anything with this extraordinary paraphilia. Note that I said paraphilia, for it's no longer classed as an illness and is thus no longer the correct official term.
I am undecided or it's a good thing that zoos come out in the open and seek acceptance in the outside world like this. It's going to be a bumpy ride and I don't know what it will add to their lives.
I came out to my parents, family, friends, ex girlfriends, colleagues and even my current room mate. That is enough for me.
As long as the people close to me take me as I am that is enough for me.
I do understand it however, since I actively participate in a lot of discussions on this matter regardless of their opinion. I've taken a lot of heat in my days, but I will not let a biased (internet) discussion go unnoticed and add a little something of my own.
It's amazing how many people got more insight in the subject understanding it better, regardless of their opinion about it.
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dave 08/20/2009 11:02:00 AM
Why the hell would this guy think gay rights activists would or should stand up for him and help his cause...what the fuck is the connection?????????? as a life long openly gay man (no closet drama here and i was born in 1959)and am also an ex-gay rights activist formely with act-up ny who fought long and hard for gay rights, HIV acknowledgement, treatment and advancement. i don't understand why this person feels the gay community should stand up for him. If you remeber during the Regan years we as a community asked noithing from anyone...we demanded it and took it and when it didn't come easy we went to jail for it. maybve you forgot "we're here, we're queer...get over it" if you feel so strongly about your desires (which I personaly don't even want to think about) go for it but stand up for yourself don't look to others to bandwagon your cause.
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Helen 08/19/2009 7:40:00 PM
This article comparing Beastiality to Homosexuality is egregious. Shame on this terrible report comparing the two for even a moment. Have you lost your abilities to be reasonable? Animal abuse is not the same as two consenting adult humans coming together. This article will only give those with mental illness and inclination towards this type of abuse to feel as if it is ok. Having sex with an animal is as ok as pedophila. Bad article, what's next "New Times" how eating shit is good for you? This is all we needed in Miami, an article to give animal abusers another thing to do and not feel bad about. I am sickened by your comparison.