Campbell holds up his hands as if he's having an epiphany. "Al Pacino is not a gangster. Frank Sinatra was, but you never heard him sing about that shit. Denzel Washington? We know he was not Malcolm X, but he did a hell of a job. Jamie Foxx was not Ray Charles, but he won an award for it," he says. "I would sign a former prison guard before I would sign a bus driver. The bus driver just hears it at the back of the bus."
Uncle Luke himself, meanwhile, has just emerged from living in a TV bubble. But even in the framework of that "unscripted series," the man who was "banned in the U.S.A." comes off pretty normal, like many other married guys raising teenage children. "My show is real reality," he says. I tell him I feel like a nephew, as I pick up my video camera and hit the record button.